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Anthropic Economic Index report: economic primitives

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Re: Anthropic Economic Index report: economic primitives

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Post by fuzzfactor »

adverbly wrote: post #4

This is very cool but it's not quite what I expected out of economic primitives. I expected to see measures of the economic productivity generated as a result of artificial intelligence use. Instead, what I'm seeing is measures of artificial intelligence use. I don't really see how this is measuring the most important economic primitives. Nothing related to productivity at all actually. Everything about how and where…

>expected to see measures of the economic productivity

I know what you mean.

Imagine my disappointment when I was expecting their unique approach and brainpower to have arrived at a straightforward index of overall world macroeconomic conditions rather than an internal corporate outlook for AI alone.

Re: Anthropic Economic Index report: economic primitives

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Post by fuzzfactor »

HPsquared wrote: post #33
thousand_nights wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i don't know, are we intelligent? you could argue that our input (senses) entirely define the output (thoughts, muscle movements, etc)

There's a bit of baked-in stuff as well. We are a full culture-mind-body[-spirit] system.

Fortunately we've got the full system because even under ideal conditions nobody's actually ever been intelligent at all times and we need the momentum from that full system to resume in an intelligent direction after an upset when it's not all at its best.

Re: Anthropic Economic Index report: economic primitives

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Post by ozozozd »

mips_avatar wrote: post #2

Every single AI economic analysis talks about travel planning but none of the AI labs have the primitives (transit routing, geocoding, etc.) in a semantic interface for the models to use.

Unfortunately, in this context travel planning means planning a vacation. And not the travel route of a traveling salesman.

Re: Anthropic Economic Index report: economic primitives

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Post by bossyTeacher »

thousand_nights wrote: post #8
mlsu wrote: post #6

> This also highlights the importance of model design and training. While Claude is able to respond in a highly sophisticated manner, it tends to do so only when users input sophisticated prompts. If the output of the model depends on the intelligence of the person picking outputs out of its training corpus, is the model intelligent? This is kind of what I don't quite understand when people talk about the models bein…

i don't know, are we intelligent? you could argue that our input (senses) entirely define the output (thoughts, muscle movements, etc)

The whole point of humans is the way we process the input. Every life form out there receives sound vibrations and has photons hitting their body all the time, not everyone uses that information in the same way or at all. That plus natal reflexes and hardcoded assumptions

Re: Anthropic Economic Index report: economic primitives

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Post by dingdingdang »

bilsbie wrote: post #34
dingdingdang wrote: post #13

The title actually cringes me out a bit, it reads like early report titles in academia where young students (myself no doubt incl back when) try their hardest at making a title sound clever but in actuality only achieve obscuration of their own material.

Reminds me of psychohistory.

Never read the Foundation series, the concept of psychohistory makes me want to though!

Re: Anthropic Economic Index report: economic primitives

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Post by reactordev »

janwirth wrote: post #45
reactordev wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can thank agile for that

You don't seem to like agile, whatever that word even means.

On the contrary. I like agile for when you don’t know exactly what you’re building but you can react quickly to change and try to capture it.

Moving fast and breaking things, agile.

On the other hand. When you know what you want to build but it’s a very large endeavor that takes careful planning and coordination across departments, traditional waterfall method still works best.

You can break that down into an agile-fall process with SAFe and Scrum of Scrums and all that PM mumbo jumbo if you need to. Or just kanban it.

In the end it’s just a mode of working.

Re: Anthropic Economic Index report: economic primitives

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Post by amelius »

adverbly wrote: post #4

This is very cool but it's not quite what I expected out of economic primitives. I expected to see measures of the economic productivity generated as a result of artificial intelligence use. Instead, what I'm seeing is measures of artificial intelligence use. I don't really see how this is measuring the most important economic primitives. Nothing related to productivity at all actually. Everything about how and where…

I expected a simulation of the economy using economic primitives and AI.

Re: Anthropic Economic Index report: economic primitives

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Post by adverbly »

hazyc wrote: post #42
p1necone wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I expected to see measures of the economic productivity generated as a result of artificial intelligence use. >Instead, what I'm seeing is measures of artificial intelligence use. Fun fact: this is also how most large companies are measuring their productivity increases from AI usage ;), alongside asking employees to tell them how much faster AI is making them while simultaneously telling them they're expected to g…

productivity is such a nebulous concept in knowledge work - an amalgamation of mostly-qualitative measures that get baked into quantitative measures that are mostly just bad data

economic productivity is absolutely not nebulous. Its a measure of GDP per hour worked.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/labor-productivity-per-ho...

Re: Anthropic Economic Index report: economic primitives

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Post by freejazz »

TrainedMonkey wrote: post #15
mlsu wrote: post #6

> This also highlights the importance of model design and training. While Claude is able to respond in a highly sophisticated manner, it tends to do so only when users input sophisticated prompts. If the output of the model depends on the intelligence of the person picking outputs out of its training corpus, is the model intelligent? This is kind of what I don't quite understand when people talk about the models bein…

Humans also respond differently when prompted in different ways. For example, politeness often begets politeness. I would expect that to be reflected in training data.

>Humans also respond differently when prompted in different ways.

And?

Re: Anthropic Economic Index report: economic primitives

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Post by PunchyHamster »

adverbly wrote: post #4

This is very cool but it's not quite what I expected out of economic primitives. I expected to see measures of the economic productivity generated as a result of artificial intelligence use. Instead, what I'm seeing is measures of artificial intelligence use. I don't really see how this is measuring the most important economic primitives. Nothing related to productivity at all actually. Everything about how and where…

I think we can surmise how bad that looked from the omission..
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