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Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Post by shardling »

BruceIV wrote: post #49
shardling wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, I've encountered issues on OSX that I simply couldn't fix. With Linux, if you care enough about a bug you can generally find some workaround. (Assuming it's not driver related!)

Fair - but too often the bugs are driver-related. I realize that this is kind of unavoidable for open-source software in our economic system, but it doesn't make it any less annoying. It was the driver bugs that drove me back to Windows - doing multi-monitor is a pain in the rear, and suspend/hibernate would often break on distro update in the rare cases they worked before. Getting an up-to-date Web browser is a big…

I believe Firefox now stays up to date on vanilla Ubuntu.

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

#52

Post by freehunter »

shardling wrote: post #51
BruceIV wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair - but too often the bugs are driver-related. I realize that this is kind of unavoidable for open-source software in our economic system, but it doesn't make it any less annoying. It was the driver bugs that drove me back to Windows - doing multi-monitor is a pain in the rear, and suspend/hibernate would often break on distro update in the rare cases they worked before. Getting an up-to-date Web browser is a big…

I believe Firefox now stays up to date on vanilla Ubuntu.

Yeah, Ubuntu updates Firefox usually the same day it's released.

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

#53

Post by macavity23 »

munchhausen wrote: post #39
abc_lisper wrote: post #7

Canonical has gone mad. More and more it seems like this company is the worst thing that could happen to linux. Seems like embrace and extinguish to me. Make a distro the best among others, so novices can tentatively take their first steps in it. Now botch it, kill it and burn them so badly they would never come back to linux again.Sigh!

Are you nuts? Ubuntu 12.04 is the best distribution of a Linux-based OS by such a huge margin that it's, as they say, not even funny. Even if I take into account the fact that many users seem to nurse a rather passionate dislike of Unity, I don't see how anyone can claim that Canonical is "botching, killing and burning" anything. Ubuntu is in the long term most definitely on a steady path of continuous improvement, a…

Agreed 100%. I recently picked up a little thinkpad laptop as a take-everywhere-don't-mind-too-much-if-it-dies machine. Ubuntu 12.04 supported absolutely every bit of hardware on it out of the box, with the exception of the fingerprint reader, which needed a single package install, and nary a cfg file edit in sight (fingerprint auth for login and sudo is awesome!). This includes:

* Hardware accelerated graphics

* Suspend and resume when closing/opening lid

* All the non-standard thinkpad buttons - external monitor, volume etc

* USB bluetooth adaptor

* External bluetooth trackpad (Apple)

* 3G dongle - this was not only autodetected, but popped up a wizard that asked me to identify my carrier, and then proceeded to configure everything and just magically brought up the internets

Anyone who doesn't think this is a big deal has not been running linux for very long :-P

Personally, I still replace Unity with Gnome3, but that's a single add-repo and package install, taking about 2 minutes. Unity is significantly better with each release, if that continues I'll probably go back to it in a few versions.

I don't get the vitriol either. Slackware and Debian are still around if Ubuntu is too n00bish for you; personally I'm old and I want shit to just work. Haters gonna hate I suppose.

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

#54

Post by abc_lisper »

macavity23 wrote: post #53
munchhausen wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you nuts? Ubuntu 12.04 is the best distribution of a Linux-based OS by such a huge margin that it's, as they say, not even funny. Even if I take into account the fact that many users seem to nurse a rather passionate dislike of Unity, I don't see how anyone can claim that Canonical is "botching, killing and burning" anything. Ubuntu is in the long term most definitely on a steady path of continuous improvement, a…

Agreed 100%. I recently picked up a little thinkpad laptop as a take-everywhere-don't-mind-too-much-if-it-dies machine. Ubuntu 12.04 supported absolutely every bit of hardware on it out of the box, with the exception of the fingerprint reader, which needed a single package install, and nary a cfg file edit in sight (fingerprint auth for login and sudo is awesome!). This includes: * Hardware accelerated graphics * Sus…

Yeah. How do i know. I upgraded my work machine to ubuntu 12, and here is what happened. Unity flat-out does not get rendered. Dual monitor setup wont work. So i had to switch to fluxbox and use xrndr to make the screen visible on both the desktops. I have been using linux for almost 12 years now, and somehow it does not seem like an improvement. So much for it just works.

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Post by BruceIV »

shardling wrote: post #51
BruceIV wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair - but too often the bugs are driver-related. I realize that this is kind of unavoidable for open-source software in our economic system, but it doesn't make it any less annoying. It was the driver bugs that drove me back to Windows - doing multi-monitor is a pain in the rear, and suspend/hibernate would often break on distro update in the rare cases they worked before. Getting an up-to-date Web browser is a big…

I believe Firefox now stays up to date on vanilla Ubuntu.

Good to know.

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

#56

Post by BruceIV »

shardling wrote: post #51
BruceIV wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair - but too often the bugs are driver-related. I realize that this is kind of unavoidable for open-source software in our economic system, but it doesn't make it any less annoying. It was the driver bugs that drove me back to Windows - doing multi-monitor is a pain in the rear, and suspend/hibernate would often break on distro update in the rare cases they worked before. Getting an up-to-date Web browser is a big…

I believe Firefox now stays up to date on vanilla Ubuntu.

What about Chrome/Chromium?

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Post by freehunter »

BruceIV wrote: post #56
shardling wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe Firefox now stays up to date on vanilla Ubuntu.

What about Chrome/Chromium?

They stay well up to date, but not because of Ubuntu. At least the last time I used Chrome, it required a PPA from Google, which is updated by Google. The Firefox repo is updated by Canonical's apt staff.
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