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Re: 'This is sell America' – US dollar tumbles as globe flees US assets

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Post by [deleted] »

SilverElfin wrote: post #46
Herring wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, he's still slightly more popular than he was at this point during his first term. https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-sil...

That’s shocking. I looked up a few different polls and it looks like the approval ratings have not really changed in months. How is that possible? The events of the last month or two should affect these in one direction or the other, right? I wonder if there is some polling error like maybe in how these questions are phrased or how the people responding are interpreting it?

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Re: 'This is sell America' – US dollar tumbles as globe flees US assets

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Post by Herring »

SilverElfin wrote: post #46
Herring wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, he's still slightly more popular than he was at this point during his first term. https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-sil...

That’s shocking. I looked up a few different polls and it looks like the approval ratings have not really changed in months. How is that possible? The events of the last month or two should affect these in one direction or the other, right? I wonder if there is some polling error like maybe in how these questions are phrased or how the people responding are interpreting it?

Yeah.. that's how tribalism works. Dems don't really understand the kind of blank-check popular backing that Trump has.

Studies have shown for a long time the human brain is frequently wired to prioritize group loyalty over factual accuracy. Probably something left over from when we were living in caves in small groups. Trump understands it extremely well. He just has to bring up immigrants and their brain reasoning centers turn off and they start frothing over Haitians eating dogs. Prior to Trump, most white Americans only encountered this if they brought a black girlfriend home.

After Obama, Trump literally rewrote the republican party. Congressmen who weren't falling in line got fired or forced to retire. Many many times, eg see Liz Cheney. The last time a purge like this happened was at the time of the Civil War. Even super-popular FDR tried taking out conservative democrats but wasn't successful (which btw is one of the main reasons we didn't get stuff like universal healthcare in the 1930s; southern democrats decided it was a threat to segregation).

That probably shows us how to stop it: wait for a massive failure like WW2 or the Great Depression, then implement strong safety nets, media, education, etc pretty much everything Western Europe is doing & more (eg housing).

Re: 'This is sell America' – US dollar tumbles as globe flees US assets

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Post by piva00 »

pupppet wrote: post #45
StephenHerlihyy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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What a load of BS, Canada is the best friend the US could ask for. Remember in 2018 when Canada held Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou under a U.S. extradition request? It tanked Canada/China relations and had trade ramifications Canada is still feeling today.

It's quite odd, the past days there's been this messaging from different users about how old allies haven't been good allies. First I saw this point about Denmark, now Canada.

Hard to understand where this is coming from, it's really odd to see it popping up out of nowhere when barely a year ago this would never have been brought up about any of these countries... Where is the messaging coming from?

Re: 'This is sell America' – US dollar tumbles as globe flees US assets

#54

Post by lateforwork »

Herring wrote: post #52
SilverElfin wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s shocking. I looked up a few different polls and it looks like the approval ratings have not really changed in months. How is that possible? The events of the last month or two should affect these in one direction or the other, right? I wonder if there is some polling error like maybe in how these questions are phrased or how the people responding are interpreting it?

Yeah.. that's how tribalism works. Dems don't really understand the kind of blank-check popular backing that Trump has. Studies have shown for a long time the human brain is frequently wired to prioritize group loyalty over factual accuracy. Probably something left over from when we were living in caves in small groups. Trump understands it extremely well. He just has to bring up immigrants and their brain reasoning…

Another solution is for Democrats can move a bit towards the center. Maybe relent on immigration, for example. Obama was more centrist than Biden on this issue. He deported millions of illegal immigrants, while Biden housed them in New York hotels.

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Post by embedding-shape »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #44
embedding-shape wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> where the "safe harbors" were during the Great Depression [...] were that there were no safe harbors Surely economy and the world economy operates in a completely different way now than it did back them, if not in the US, the very least in the rest of the world? But that's just my intuition, maybe things are more similar than they are different in reality? > Of course it turned out to be a local maxima Not to pour…

Ha ha, yeah, must have been 2011 when we bought into silver.

:| I was thinking "Yeah, 1980 probably, then they'd be 20 now, it'd match with the college stuff" and then I thought you were joking with 2011 but yeah, terrible for the same reason :/

Re: 'This is sell America' – US dollar tumbles as globe flees US assets

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Post by SilverElfin »

lateforwork wrote: post #54
Herring wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah.. that's how tribalism works. Dems don't really understand the kind of blank-check popular backing that Trump has. Studies have shown for a long time the human brain is frequently wired to prioritize group loyalty over factual accuracy. Probably something left over from when we were living in caves in small groups. Trump understands it extremely well. He just has to bring up immigrants and their brain reasoning…

Another solution is for Democrats can move a bit towards the center. Maybe relent on immigration, for example. Obama was more centrist than Biden on this issue. He deported millions of illegal immigrants, while Biden housed them in New York hotels.

I think this is the bare minimum needed to change the current environment, if approval polls are staying where they are. If Dems support secure borders, protecting women’s sports, and sentencing repeat offenders, they would take away many of the “common sense” things that the GOP can use to hold onto independents. Otherwise, it lets people be outraged at the Dems enough that they would tolerate the extremism we see normalized now.

Re: 'This is sell America' – US dollar tumbles as globe flees US assets

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Post by StephenHerlihyy »

tharmas wrote: post #47
StephenHerlihyy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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There are two things Canada is guilty of. 1) it spent far too little on its military 2) it trusted the Americans far too much by tying its economy so deeply with the USA. If you subtract the oil purchased by the USA, Canada has a trade surplus with the USA. A trade surplus that's mostly comprised of finished goods. Canada sells raw materials to the USA and buys finished goods from them. It is the United States that i…

The lack of public awareness is honestly the biggest issue. I’ve got nothing personally against Canada or the Canadian people. And I certainly don’t think Trump’s approach has benefitted the situation. But I also recognize that his grievance have a level of merit. I can critique a government without blaming a people, right? I disagree with how the Canadian government has been handling itself. I think there is a way to resolve these issues, but I think first Canada has to at least acknowledge they exist. Whenever there is discussion like this people love to flood in, eager to defend our neighbor to the north and stick it to Trump. These issues have persisted through many administrations. You ask why Congress doesn’t stop Trump from his actions? It’s because the political consensus in Washington is that they are needed. I have no doubt whoever comes next will blame Trump and declare a new era of friendship and peace. But these issues will be at the core of any new agreement between the countries. People disagree, countries argue. It’s temporary. America wants Canada to succeed and Canada benefits from America’s success. They are just renorming the relationship a bit, which team dynamics tells us takes us back to the storming phase. Give it time and we’ll be rolling along again.

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#58

Post by Herring »

lateforwork wrote: post #54
Herring wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah.. that's how tribalism works. Dems don't really understand the kind of blank-check popular backing that Trump has. Studies have shown for a long time the human brain is frequently wired to prioritize group loyalty over factual accuracy. Probably something left over from when we were living in caves in small groups. Trump understands it extremely well. He just has to bring up immigrants and their brain reasoning…

Another solution is for Democrats can move a bit towards the center. Maybe relent on immigration, for example. Obama was more centrist than Biden on this issue. He deported millions of illegal immigrants, while Biden housed them in New York hotels.

It's not gonna work. Dems have been meeting Republicans in the "center" for a long time. Republicans just go further right. You think conservatives like Obama?

It's not a rational thing. Like you said "Biden housing immigrants in hotels" and the implication is that he personally spent trillions on it and the sky is falling.

You need to train people to switch their brains back on, because it's a national security issue. All kinds of policies from free college to a shorter work-week so they have less stress and more time to think. Again, just copy what Western Europe does. They went through it before.

Re: 'This is sell America' – US dollar tumbles as globe flees US assets

#59

Post by StephenHerlihyy »

piva00 wrote: post #53
pupppet wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a load of BS, Canada is the best friend the US could ask for. Remember in 2018 when Canada held Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou under a U.S. extradition request? It tanked Canada/China relations and had trade ramifications Canada is still feeling today.

It's quite odd, the past days there's been this messaging from different users about how old allies haven't been good allies. First I saw this point about Denmark, now Canada. Hard to understand where this is coming from, it's really odd to see it popping up out of nowhere when barely a year ago this would never have been brought up about any of these countries... Where is the messaging coming from?

That’s fair enough. Part of it is the Trump effect. I tend to dive pretty deep into things when they catch my interest. A lot of time we write things off as crazy simply because we don’t understand the context behind the presumption of insanity. So I try to look under the surface so to speak. I want to know why someone feels the way they do, even if their thesis is a little confused. Almost like: “I see you are very passionate about this, let me figure out why.”

I try to make the world make sense. Communication is a skill and many otherwise smart people simply fail to invest in it. Curiousity I suppose.

Re: 'This is sell America' – US dollar tumbles as globe flees US assets

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Post by thomassmith65 »

StephenHerlihyy wrote: post #49
thomassmith65 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is 10 sentences long but lists not a single, specific example of Canada being a poor ally.

1) Multi-year delay in banning Huawei from 5G networks: https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-statement-huawei-ban-canadian-5g... Took Canada 4-years longer than the rest of the Five Eyes alliance to ban them, prompting the Biden administration to threaten to terminate the agreement. 2) NORAD/Ballistic missile defense (Not just NATO): https://canadiandefencereview.com/norad-modernization-closin... Canada chooses not to partici…

1) The delay came at a tricky time. Canada had arrested Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou on behalf of the USA, and China disappeared two Canadian citizens in retaliation.

4 & 5) Canada has a gun problem, and the guns originate from the USA. Canada has a problem with sick Americans crossing the border and buying meds meant for Canadians. American cross-border concerns about Canada don't hold a candle to that.

6) This is a strange expectation. If it had merit, then the reverse would, too: America is guilty of undercutting Canada's efforts to maintain global free trade.

So that leaves NORAD and the Digital Services tax.

To my mind, it seems like Canada primarily is guilty of being a nation with a few priorities and interests of its own, rather than a state.

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