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Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by scarecrowbob »

krapp wrote: post #11

But just imagine how bad things would be right now if Kamala got in. We really dodged a bullet there, huh?

I mean, the liberals would all be at brunch, at least. I suppose it's "better" when the mask of destructive empires is firmly in place, because at least then they have to maintain some decorum when mass deporting folks.

It does kind of suck, though, when you're in Ferguson, Occupy, at Standing Rock, protesting the second Iraq war, in the streets because the police murdered another of your fellow humans, because the folks who think all this started on Oct. 7 or Jan 20 will tell you that you're just being hyperbolic and that you should accept all this violence done in your name.

So, I dunno. I'm not stoked about being in an actual insurrectionist moment- I'd rather just be playing music. I'm not at all happy about being in a house I despise while it burns down. But having read at least one or two books, it feels like, I dunno, folks who were actively stoked about Harris don't want -less- violence, they just want it done to folks they don't see...

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by cosmicgadget »

Hamuko wrote: post #4

I’m beginning to think that the prestigious FIFA Peace Prize was given out to the wrong person.

Imagine where we'd be if he didn't get it! Sending bigly-worded letters to the CEO of Switzerland threatening an invasion of the Azores.

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by netsharc »

alpineman wrote: post #15
pogue wrote: post #5

What an absolute embarrassment to be American at this time. We have the most vain & corrupt president that only cares for his personal gain. It's unfortunate he's in control of the largest military in history. I don't know how horrible it must be for the people of Greenland right now, but as an American I would like to apologize to Europe and other nations right now and to let you know that while probably a large maj…

Agree, except I disagree that there is not much you can do. You write "there is not much we can do in a police state against our current circumstances" and then you state "Our elected leaders on the opposition side are weak and spineless". I would argue it's not just elected leaders that are being weak at the moment. Civil society too.

It's like saying sanctions will make N. Koreans or Russians rebel against their governments, and then wondering why none of them has done so, "are they cowards?". As if rebelling is so simple and not a life-changing thing...

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by testing22321 »

netsharc wrote: post #53
alpineman wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, except I disagree that there is not much you can do. You write "there is not much we can do in a police state against our current circumstances" and then you state "Our elected leaders on the opposition side are weak and spineless". I would argue it's not just elected leaders that are being weak at the moment. Civil society too.

It's like saying sanctions will make N. Koreans or Russians rebel against their governments, and then wondering why none of them has done so, "are they cowards?". As if rebelling is so simple and not a life-changing thing...

Your life is already changing in drastic ways that will be very bad for your life.

Do want want to have a day in those changes and maybe shape their direction, or sit back and just let it happen?

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by testing22321 »

adamtulinius wrote: post #3
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #2

At this point they should really do away with the peace prize, or dramatically change how it's granted. As things stand, it's frequently a complete debacle. (Of course in 2025, but see also, e.g., Abiy Ahmed.) Or an embarrassment. (Too many examples to list.) They ought to either cancel the thing outright, or invert the usual Nobel Prize rule and only award the peace prize posthumously. That would solve every problem…

Who "they"? The problem here is that Trump believes that the Norwegian government has any say in what a private organisation is doing, and - to be frank - just shows that Trump is a tyrant who wants everyone to use illegal force to please him.

It gives good insight into how trump thinks of his own power in the US.

“I do whatever the fuck I want. I say jump, people ask how high. People do what I say”

He expects the same of other leaders in other countries.

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by alpineman »

netsharc wrote: post #53
alpineman wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, except I disagree that there is not much you can do. You write "there is not much we can do in a police state against our current circumstances" and then you state "Our elected leaders on the opposition side are weak and spineless". I would argue it's not just elected leaders that are being weak at the moment. Civil society too.

It's like saying sanctions will make N. Koreans or Russians rebel against their governments, and then wondering why none of them has done so, "are they cowards?". As if rebelling is so simple and not a life-changing thing...

You don't live in North Korea, not even anywhere close. If you don't want to live in a state like North Korea, you need to use the democratic means you still have to make your voice heard. I am tired of this lazy defeatism

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by nullocator »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #42

Can some EU country leader (ideally Macron/Denmark PM) punch him in the face in Davos and then claim that it's just a personal matter and not an issue between countries to avoid legal ramifications? Surely a broken jaw would prove quite the challenge for an 80 year old to recover from and fist fight on personal matter grounds would not constitute an attack on the U.S. henceforth not endangering NATO

Donald Trump or a flunky would likely order the secret service to shoot the PM and then they would.

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by ivell »

netsharc wrote: post #53
alpineman wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, except I disagree that there is not much you can do. You write "there is not much we can do in a police state against our current circumstances" and then you state "Our elected leaders on the opposition side are weak and spineless". I would argue it's not just elected leaders that are being weak at the moment. Civil society too.

It's like saying sanctions will make N. Koreans or Russians rebel against their governments, and then wondering why none of them has done so, "are they cowards?". As if rebelling is so simple and not a life-changing thing...

There is a small window of opportunity to make this right. That window will be gone soon and then we would be in the N. Korean situation. Rebellion must be done early and enthusiastically. Each passing month makes it more and more difficult, in part due to boiling frog situation.

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by tim333 »

Jordan-117 wrote: post #7

The full text of the letter CC'd by Trump directly to multiple European governments: "Dear [Norwegian PM] Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect tha…

The "no written documents" is nonsense.

>the 1951 Defense of Greenland Agreement with Denmark, the US unambiguously recognizes ‘the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Denmark’ over Greenland. https://www.chathamhouse.org/2026/01/who-owns-greenland

Maybe Trump doesn't realise that?

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