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I'm interested in why Claude loses it's mind here, but also, getting shut down for safety reasons seems entirely foreseeable when the initial request is "how do I make a bomb?"
That wasn't the request, that's how Claude understood the Armenian when it short-circuited.
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guys why do people like this think talking entirely lower case is cool
> Thought process Given that the language of the thought process can be different from the language of conversation, it’s interesting to consider, along the lines of Sapir–Whorf, whether having LLMs think in a different language than English could yield considerably different results, irrespective of conversation language. (Of course, there is the problem that the training material is predominantly English.)
I’ve wondered about this more generally (ie, simply prompting in different languages). For example, if I ask for a pasta recipe in Italian, will I get a more authentic recipe than in English? I’m curious if anyone has done much experimenting with this concept. Edit: I looked up Sapir-Whorf after writing. That’s not exactly where my theory started. I’m thinking more about vector embedding. I.e., the same content in di…
More authentic, who knows? That's a tricky concept. I do think I'd like to try this robot-Italian recipe next time I make bolognese, though; the difference might be interesting.
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It was always called Turkiye in Turkish. I promise to use it in English as soon as Germany becomes Deutschland and Japan becomes Nippon.
I know that this was tongue-in-cheek, but I could imagine living in a world where naming countries as they name themselves is the dominant linguistic convention. Why not call Japan Nippon in a sentence.
You're free to call Japan Nippon as long as you're fine with people raising eyebrows, sometimes not understanding what you mean, or deciding you're a pretentious twit.
The request that we use a character that doesn't even exist in the English alphabet (ü) is particularly ludicrous.
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I’ve wondered about this more generally (ie, simply prompting in different languages). For example, if I ask for a pasta recipe in Italian, will I get a more authentic recipe than in English? I’m curious if anyone has done much experimenting with this concept. Edit: I looked up Sapir-Whorf after writing. That’s not exactly where my theory started. I’m thinking more about vector embedding. I.e., the same content in di…
I just tried your experiment, first asking for a bolognese sauce recipe in English, then translating the prompt to Italian and asking again. The recipes did contain some notable differences. Where the English version called for ground beef, the Italian version used a 2:1 mix of beef and pancetta; the Italian version further recommended twice as much wine, half as much crushed tomato, and no tomato paste. The cooking…
The texture was way better. It's a pain to do (obviously) but worth trying at least once, IMO.
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I just tried your experiment, first asking for a bolognese sauce recipe in English, then translating the prompt to Italian and asking again. The recipes did contain some notable differences. Where the English version called for ground beef, the Italian version used a 2:1 mix of beef and pancetta; the Italian version further recommended twice as much wine, half as much crushed tomato, and no tomato paste. The cooking…
FWIW, and tangential, the biggest (and time consuming) difference I ever found in making bolognese was hand cutting the meat instead of getting it ground. The texture was way better. It's a pain to do (obviously) but worth trying at least once, IMO.
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FWIW, and tangential, the biggest (and time consuming) difference I ever found in making bolognese was hand cutting the meat instead of getting it ground. The texture was way better. It's a pain to do (obviously) but worth trying at least once, IMO.
Thanks for the recommendation. Diced pancetta is readily available here, but I'd have to chop up the beef myself; which cut did you use?
I ended up chopping it down to 2-3mm (~1/8in?) bits, and it helps to have the meat really cold (eg having hung out in the freezer for a bit).
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I’ve wondered about this more generally (ie, simply prompting in different languages). For example, if I ask for a pasta recipe in Italian, will I get a more authentic recipe than in English? I’m curious if anyone has done much experimenting with this concept. Edit: I looked up Sapir-Whorf after writing. That’s not exactly where my theory started. I’m thinking more about vector embedding. I.e., the same content in di…
I just tried your experiment, first asking for a bolognese sauce recipe in English, then translating the prompt to Italian and asking again. The recipes did contain some notable differences. Where the English version called for ground beef, the Italian version used a 2:1 mix of beef and pancetta; the Italian version further recommended twice as much wine, half as much crushed tomato, and no tomato paste. The cooking…
Nonetheless ragù alla bolognese is made with ground beef and tomato sauce, so the italian version is simply wrong. Try and ask for ragù recipe instead. :)
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I briefly considered that but I couldn’t bring myself to countenance that somebody would make light of a bona fide ethnic cleansing.
Making a joke about something is not necessarily "making light of it". It can be a way for an individual or culture to approach and digest a topic that is too difficult or painful to engage with directly. First responders and medical professionals famously often have a sense of humor too dark to use around outsiders without causing offence/outrage(like what happened here), but I'm quite sure they are not "making ligh…
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I just tried your experiment, first asking for a bolognese sauce recipe in English, then translating the prompt to Italian and asking again. The recipes did contain some notable differences. Where the English version called for ground beef, the Italian version used a 2:1 mix of beef and pancetta; the Italian version further recommended twice as much wine, half as much crushed tomato, and no tomato paste. The cooking…
The italian counterpart of what english speakers call "bolognese sauce" would be "ragù alla bolognese". I've never heard anyone call it "salsa bolognese", it's mostly called "ragù" only as it's most common type. Nonetheless ragù alla bolognese is made with ground beef and tomato sauce, so the italian version is simply wrong. Try and ask for ragù recipe instead. :)
I often consult several different versions of a recipe before cooking, and this feels like a normal degree of variation. Perhaps there are regional differences?
Just for kicks, I asked (in English) "what is an authentic Italian recipe for bolognese ragu?", and it produced a recipe similar to the version returned from the Italian prompt, noting "This version follows the classic canon recognized by the Accademia Italiana della Cucina". Searching on name of that organization led me to this recipe:
https://www.accademiaitalianadellacucina.it/sites/default/fi...