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UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by Tepix »

Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #38
Tepix wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back. That‘s not my impression at all about the UK. They are known for mass CCTV surveillance since more than a decade. There’s even a wikipedia page for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite...

There's a difference between filming the public in public-spaces (which is what the mass CCTV surveillance does) and reading everyone's private messages and every image uploaded from their devices. This is a step chance (if it goes ahead) and doesn't feel very different from what the Chinese State is doing to its citizens.

I agree. But I'm saying is that the current mass surveillance is already overreaching as-is.

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

cedws wrote: post #32
michaelt wrote: post #10

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> it feels like there's been a shift since Labour came into power. Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back. I had hoped Labour would roll back the anti-protest legislation, snooper's charter, internet censorship and voter ID laws. After all, it was mostly left-wing climate protesters getting arrested, and young (more left-leaning) voters being prevented from voting. Turns out no, quite the oppos…

My hope was that Labour would seize the opportunity and roll back the unpopular Tory policies too. It would've been easy points to score for the next general election. Instead, as you say, they just continued with and extended them.

People still believe the faces on the telly ate in charge.

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by hulitu »

cedws wrote: post #3

Nobody voted for this. I'm pretty cynical about both the current and previous government, but it feels like there's been a shift since Labour came into power. Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back. There was chatter but it was met with resistance. Now it feels like the discussion is being squashed and there are invisible forces at work. If by some miracle the UK and EU agree on a new Youth Mob…

> Nobody voted for this.

Lol. That's how democracy (doesn't) works. The elected people only care about the wishes of the NGO that pushed them in power.

Better luck next time.

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by ryandrake »

overfeed wrote: post #46
dmitrygr wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will defend absolute freedom of all speech by Musk and against Musk. By Adobe and against Adobe. My Microsoft and against Microsoft. By you and against you. By me and against me. Unlike many who merely theorize about this from their armchairs, I've lived in a place without free speech and I know what that leads to, how fast, and how hard it is to get out of that hole. There is no such thing as "let's just have a li…

Unbelievable. Caping pedophelia on main - no throw-away. Is this were society is now?

About as unbelievable as electing one president.

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by dmitrygr »

overfeed wrote: post #46
dmitrygr wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will defend absolute freedom of all speech by Musk and against Musk. By Adobe and against Adobe. My Microsoft and against Microsoft. By you and against you. By me and against me. Unlike many who merely theorize about this from their armchairs, I've lived in a place without free speech and I know what that leads to, how fast, and how hard it is to get out of that hole. There is no such thing as "let's just have a li…

Unbelievable. Caping pedophelia on main - no throw-away. Is this were society is now?

Unbelievable. People pretending not to understand something stated very clearly just to insult someone they don’t even know. Is this where society is now?

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by DANmode »

cedws wrote: post #32
michaelt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it feels like there's been a shift since Labour came into power. Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back. I had hoped Labour would roll back the anti-protest legislation, snooper's charter, internet censorship and voter ID laws. After all, it was mostly left-wing climate protesters getting arrested, and young (more left-leaning) voters being prevented from voting. Turns out no, quite the oppos…

My hope was that Labour would seize the opportunity and roll back the unpopular Tory policies too. It would've been easy points to score for the next general election. Instead, as you say, they just continued with and extended them.

So who pressured them?

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by DANmode »

oliwarner wrote: post #29
puppycodes wrote: post #28

For a while now traveling to the UK should be treated like visiting China or similar. Leave your devices at home and expect zero privacy rights.

The Land of the Free is similarly unwelcoming at its borders. https://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp-search-authority/border-searc... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dz0g2ykpeo.amp

It’s almost like there’s a war on, or something, the way these major powers are acting…

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by dmitrygr »

Symbiote wrote: post #41
dmitrygr wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will defend absolute freedom of all speech by Musk and against Musk. By Adobe and against Adobe. My Microsoft and against Microsoft. By you and against you. By me and against me. Unlike many who merely theorize about this from their armchairs, I've lived in a place without free speech and I know what that leads to, how fast, and how hard it is to get out of that hole. There is no such thing as "let's just have a li…

You should be explicit here; Should it be legal to (1) create and (2) distribute an AI generated sexual image of a (1) 18 year old, (2) 12 year old? (In both cases without their consent.) What about a real photograph?

Sexual abuse (of adults and of children) is abhorrent, illegal, and should remain so. A number cannot be illegal.

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Post by filoleg »

sph wrote: post #42
Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A term I learnt recently: "Anarcho-Tyranny" From Gemini: "The concept was coined in the early 1990s by political theorist Samuel Francis. He described it as a state where the government performs its basic duty of public safety poorly (allowing "anarchy" among criminals) but creates a web of bureaucracy and surveillance to control the innocent (imposing "tyranny" on the law-abiding)." This is exactly I how feel.

Let's not insult the good name of anarchism by comparing it to the State, or worse, comparing it to a failing and quasi-totalitarian State, please. It's not anarcho-tyranny. This is simply the end game of an ever-growing State that has become bloated, greedy and unaccountable to the public it is supposed to serve.

> Let's not insult the good name of anarchism

I am not trying to throw insults here, but (from what I observed) anarchism tends to only have a good name in the eyes of teenagers and other genuinely politically ignorant people allergic to reality.

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by overfeed »

dmitrygr wrote: post #55
overfeed wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unbelievable. Caping pedophelia on main - no throw-away. Is this were society is now?

Unbelievable. People pretending not to understand something stated very clearly just to insult someone they don’t even know. Is this where society is now?

>>> If it were Adobe's or Microsoft's products generating CSAM, you wouldn't hear a peep out of them

>> I will defend absolute freedom of all speech by Musk [...] By Adobe [...] [B]y Microsoft

Your support of the "absolute freedom" of "all speech" is very clear. If you somehow didn't mean the words you chose, then the lack of clarity is on you, and needs no pretense on my part.

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