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Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by IgorPartola »

Zambyte wrote: post #47
trvr wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't let this hold you back. Use a mobile browser that lets you use Kagi; it's worth it.

Or even better, a computer that does things when told.

If you can tell me what phone can give me access to all the standard apps I would need, has good build quality, doesn’t funnel my data to Google, is backed by an entity capable of providing multi-year device support, has cloud storage integration that lets me keep my data securely offloaded from the phone’s storage, can handle modern apps and websites as far as performance, has a very good camera, and has the equivalent of AppleCare such that if/when I shatter my screen I can replace it for $30, I am all ears.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by ancarda »

Bad_Initialism wrote: post #50

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I think you're confused because this link is somewhat deep down: https://help.kagi.com/orion/misc/linux-status.html

If you go up to https://help.kagi.com/orion/ it has this description:

> Orion is a free, lightning-fast, privacy-focused, WebKit-based browser for Mac, iOS, and soon Linux that blocks ads and trackers by default.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by sylens »

bikelang wrote: post #43

Orion has come an extremely long ways on iOS and macOS. I daily drove it for a couple months maybe a year and a half ago and it had a lot of little rough edges and was slightly broken on a number of websites. I’ve picked it up again as my daily driver as of the new year and haven’t had a single issue yet. It even blocks ads in YouTube now - only Brave did that previously. For me - Brave was the best browser product.…

I just switched to Orion on iOS to kick off the new year and it is MUCH better than where it was just a few months ago.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by thisislife2 »

Nice. But I stopped using Orion on macOS when they stopped offering complete offline installers. They taut they are a zero-telemetry browser, as proof that they are privacy conscious about user data, and that was a good feature and overture. But then when they create technical avenues to (possibly) bypass that (like using online installers that can do all kind of data collection) it becomes harder to trust them as it follows the tried-and-tested path of other companies that have claimed to care about user privacy, to increase their user-base, and then betrayed their customer base by harvesting their personal data.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by JohnFen »

EbNar wrote: post #37
hellcow wrote: post #9

It seems weird to run a closed-source browser on an open-source operating system when so many open alternatives exist—I certainly wouldn’t do it, and I’m a Kagi customer. Does Kagi plan to open-source Orion on Linux?

Just curious, but is this really a big deal? As a customer, you already trust Kagi enough to feed them your entire search history, so I guess you don't think they're bad actors. Thus, why you find problematic the (momentary?) "unopeness" of the browser? I'd gladly try it (I'm on Arch), even just out of curiosity (unlikely to make it my main, though). Jeez, downvoted for asking about context? People, calm down.

Requiring it to be open source is not just about trusting the publisher. There are a bunch of other possible reasons, including wanting to support open source as a counterbalance to proprietary software.

For me, it's a big deal (although not a dealbreaker) for that reason. If I have the option of two different pieces of software, one being open source and the other proprietary, I'll choose the open source one every time unless there's something really exceptional about the proprietary one. But that's very rare.

I was just trying to think of any proprietary software I use outside of work (where I don't have a choice) or games. There must be at least one, but I can't think of what it is.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by cornedor »

IgorPartola wrote: post #28
al_borland wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This upsets me as well. I’ve sent Apple feedback[0] about it, I suggest others do the same. I wanted to use Safari at work, but this proved too big of a barrier. I can’t use the App Store at work, so no extensions. I was more willing to give up Safari than Kagi. [0] https://www.apple.com/feedback/safari/

Just submitted feedback as well. This is honestly what’s holding me back from buying a Kagi subscription at this point. Here is what I submitted: I’m requesting that iOS Safari allow users to set any search engine as their default, rather than limiting choices to a pre-approved list. Currently, Safari only offers Google, Bing, Yahoo, DuckDuckGo, and Ecosia, preventing users from choosing legitimate alternatives like…

> This is honestly what’s holding me back from buying a Kagi subscription at this point.

The extension is working really well for me. You could always try it out with the free version to see if it works for you as well.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by Zambyte »

undeveloper wrote: post #21

I love what the kagi team is doing, and being some of the first innovators maybe since the ladybird(?) browser, even if it's using the same base of webkit, not being a fork of chrome or firefox. I wish they'd bring it to android, but it doesn't look like they're interested.

It seems like their stance is more a matter of development resources rather than a deliberate decision.

https://orionfeedback.org/d/2321-orion-for-windows-android-l...

It is interesting that they don't mention future Android support anywhere on the website, but it does seem like they are (or at least were) open to the idea someday.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by lostlogin »

Zambyte wrote: post #47
trvr wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't let this hold you back. Use a mobile browser that lets you use Kagi; it's worth it.

Or even better, a computer that does things when told.

Arm macs are very hard to walk away from.

My dream is some of boot-to-Ubuntu setup, or even running it simultaneously.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by packetlost »

JohnFen wrote: post #48
Fiveplus wrote: post #35

This is a healthy thing to happen to the Linux browser ecosystem imho. We talk a lot about browser diversity, but on Linux and Windows, it is a lie. You have firefox (gecko) and fifty flavors of chromium. Webkit on Linux has essentially been relegated to embedded devices or the GNOME epiphany browser, which I'll admit while is a noble effort, lags a bit in the stability and power-user features department. Big reason…

> The sticking point like always will be media playback (read: DRM/widevine). Probably true in general. But for me, that's not a sticking point at all. I don't care if a browser supports media playback or not. What I do care about is the ability to enable/disable embedded code execution (JS, at the very least) at a fairly granular level. Does Orion allow for that?

It's a major sticking point for most people though and a very large blocker for wider Linux desktop adoption.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by thisislife2 »

andrewmutz wrote: post #38

If I'm a linux user who uses firefox currently, what's the value prop for this browser? I already get privacy and extensions, is it just for testing my app on webkit?

You can already test a site on a webkit engine in Linux using Gnome Web (previously Epihany) or LuaKit ( https://luakit.github.io/ ). But it is always good to have options, even if commercial ones. From that aspect Orion on Linux is good news.
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