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U.S. is withdrawing from 66 international bodies

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Re: U.S. is withdrawing from 66 international bodies

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Post by Tanoc »

8bitsrule wrote: post #42
halperter wrote: post #3

> American taxpayers have spent billions on these organizations with little return, while they often criticize U.S. policies, advance agendas contrary to our values, or waste taxpayer dollars by purporting to address important issues but not achieving any real results. >By exiting these entities, President Trump is saving taxpayer money and refocusing resources on America First priorities. Taking a look at the actual…

For a long I've wondered when, in the view of the current administration, the US was great the last time. I'm trying to decide when in the 1800s that was.

There's one date they'll always point to because it fits all their stereotypes. Sixth of June, 1944. Lots of young men dying fighting a valiant war against a seemingly insurmountable enemy surrounded by icons of American military might, all to show those pansy Europeans how it's done.It's always something to do with World War II because that was the last time the U.S. got into a war and came out the other side being nearly universally praised instead of being broadly condemned.

It's also before second wave feminism, the Civil Rights Movement, and the eco friendly shift that began in the 1960s. 1967 haunts the American regressive right wing in more ways than they ever want to acknowledge, as that's the year when they finally lost control.

Re: U.S. is withdrawing from 66 international bodies

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

cthalupa wrote: post #49
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If.. and I do mean if there is a concern for life of the officer in question, yes, that is actually the expected response. And also yes, the officers in question are investigated afterwards, because you do want to know if the gun discharge was warranted. I watched the videos from several angles ( what a time to be alive ) and I will admit I would like to see how her car got into the middle of the road, but.. I can't…

As others have noted, I don't understand how anyone can view that video and believe that any ICE agent was at risk of losing their life, but shooting at someone behind the wheel of a car that is heading towards you is not the correct way to resolve that situation even from a purely selfish and pragmatic perspective. We even see the "why" in this video. Dead people can't control the accelerator or the wheel. A severel…

Eh. No. The video suggests otherwise[1].

[1]https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1767848684973262.webm

Re: U.S. is withdrawing from 66 international bodies

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

cthalupa wrote: post #48
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Holding a random person to the same standards for judgment as the people we are entrusting the enforcement of law, sometimes with deadly force, is an insane thing to do. It doesn't matter if she was impeding an ICE smash and grab. It doesn't matter if she might have clipped the ICE officer at 4-5 mph when she freaked out - because the officer shot her after all the ICE agents were already out of danger of death or si…

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Re: U.S. is withdrawing from 66 international bodies

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Post by ncr100 »

stopbulying wrote: post #7

That creates a lot of work for the next administration.

This is fairly routine -- for Democratic executive administrations to unfuck financial / other poor performance / bad health promulgated by prior Republican ones:

Republicans since Reagan have prioritized tax cuts as an end in themselves, treating deficit concerns as secondary

Democrats have generally accepted the post-1990s norm of PAYGO (pay-as-you-go) budgeting more consistently

Trump has been remarkable effective and impactful, for a US President.

His term makes me think maybe we DON'T want Presidents, as they're too powerful and it's too risky a structural design.

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Post by defrost »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #52
cthalupa wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have noted, I don't understand how anyone can view that video and believe that any ICE agent was at risk of losing their life, but shooting at someone behind the wheel of a car that is heading towards you is not the correct way to resolve that situation even from a purely selfish and pragmatic perspective. We even see the "why" in this video. Dead people can't control the accelerator or the wheel. A severel…

Eh. No. The video suggests otherwise[1]. [1] https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1767848684973262.webm

"The video" sounds authoritive.

The video linked is to a 4chan hosted selective cut and edit with overlaid commentary of questionable authority.

Full raw video starts earlier, the audio includes conflicting instructions, the car reverses and moves forwards all before the linked video begins.

The LEO LARPer in front of the car is "in danger" as they moved there in order to shoot the driver.

A trained response and recommended protocol would be to let the vehicle go .. as they earlier commanded as they apparently wanted the road cleared.

In that context, it appear to be a clusterfuck by untrained clowns resulting in a citizens death.

Re: U.S. is withdrawing from 66 international bodies

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Post by defrost »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #50
defrost wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty clear from the videos that there was no danger to the officer that fired. They approached from the front, and stepped into the path of a turning "fleeing" vehicleto get a better shot at the driver and then jumping to the side. > I will admit I would like to see how her car got into the middle of the road I'm also curious about this, but in Australia this would have zero bearing on the "right" of a LEO to…

Friend. Just from pure logic if the path was blocked by ICE agent then her pressing a gas means attempt to run that ICE agent over. And if you look at the vid in slow motion, he does jump to the side to avoid a swipe. And I guess this is where the lawyers will have a field day. Best I can say is that he is lucky to have protection that comes from being LEO, where the standard is just different. To be fair, here it wa…

> To me it is not the question of whether they are right, but whether she had a good reason to be there.

To me that's irrelevant - FWiW I come from a largish extended family with more than a century of history in various military and civil conflicts.

Well trained personnel should handle the situation of a vehicle blocking traffic in a civilian non theatre of war context in a manner that doesn't lead to escalation.

> If she was following them around and ended up in that situation as a result, I might be more inclined to give ICE a pass. If she is an actual random individual that simply did not know what to do and panicked, then it is an actual problem.

Either way, regardless of her background, three agents gave conflicting instructions, acted in a bullying manner, escalated a situation and shot a citizen.

If she was there in protest, in a country that boasts free speech and the right to protest, that doesn't justify or give a pass to the clown show on camera.

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

defrost wrote: post #55
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh. No. The video suggests otherwise[1]. [1] https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1767848684973262.webm

"The video" sounds authoritive. The video linked is to a 4chan hosted selective cut and edit with overlaid commentary of questionable authority. Full raw video starts earlier, the audio includes conflicting instructions, the car reverses and moves forwards all before the linked video begins. The LEO LARPer in front of the car is "in danger" as they moved there in order to shoot the driver. A trained response and reco…

Full points for framing. No sale. I can give you it is a clusterfuck. As for untrained, well, I think based on the results, one could argue otherwise.

I think I will stop responding and start heading to bed. This day sucks.

Nevertheless, the conversation was interesting. Hope we can chat again at one point.

Re: U.S. is withdrawing from 66 international bodies

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Post by sph »

kazinator wrote: post #12

An organization that is contrary to the interests of the US: that's exactly the sort of thing you want no American representatives in. Ideally, you don't even want second-hand information about what they are talking about and what decisions they are making.

Reminds me of Brexit: let’s leave Europe; we’re still going to be affected by its laws because they’re our closest and biggest neighbours, but now we don’t even have a seat at the table to further our interests.

Welcome the era of political own goals.

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Post by burnt-resistor »

stopbulying wrote: post #7

That creates a lot of work for the next administration.

You're recklessly optimistic assuming damage is temporary, reversible, and that there will be a different kind of administration subsequently when the current occupant has already voiced that _their next inauguration_ will be held in the forthcoming demolished east wing Epstein-Trump memorial ballroom.
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