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Tube trains could navigate the Underground using the rules of Quantum Physics

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Re: Tube trains could navigate the Underground using the rules of Quantum Physics

#51

Cool technology, but seems a bit of an extreme effort just to check train position. Why can't they just use markers on the tunnel walls (or under the tracks)?

> Naturally, trains already have track-based location systems, but they are usually based on a train being within a “moving block”, so their accuracy is down to metres rather than centimetres. If you want to monitor track conditions, the more accurate the location of the suspected fault, the less time staff spend repairing it. Agree in principle though, is this extreme precision really needed?

The lines with platform edge doors (Elizabeth, half of Jubilee) do need to be in the right place with 10-20cm accuracy.

Re: Tube trains could navigate the Underground using the rules of Quantum Physics

#53
At the risk of being näive, Why Tube trains are still a thing?

I want underground mini buses, optimizing their stops to the passengers' inside. Most of we passengers go to hub stations.

Tubes are like a 100-year old tech without remarkable changes.

Re: Tube trains could navigate the Underground using the rules of Quantum Physics

#54

At the risk of being näive, Why Tube trains are still a thing? I want underground mini buses, optimizing their stops to the passengers' inside. Most of we passengers go to hub stations. Tubes are like a 100-year old tech without remarkable changes.

Capacity and dwell time.

27 (soon to be 30) trains per hour on the Jubilee line for instance, hundreds of people can get on and off each one.

Re: Tube trains could navigate the Underground using the rules of Quantum Physics

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I would have thought a simple device that counts the number of times the wheel has rotated would be vastly simpler and cheaper, and surely accurate to within a few centimeters.

How about an RFID chip (costs nothing) on every sleeper. Little database and you know exactly where you are. Accurate a few centimeters

Universal Signalling are a company doing exactly this to give better train location information to signallers.

https://www.universalsignalling.com/news/latest#h.12nuchpah7...

Re: Tube trains could navigate the Underground using the rules of Quantum Physics

#56
Quite a dumb application of quantum physics. Cooling something to near zero, which takes energy, and is complex, and big, in order to obtain precisions which are magnitudes higher than what is necessary. As if one would use CPUs to prop up an uneven table and would boast that they use microelectronics.

"Instead of relying on conventional sensors, these devices use clouds of atoms cooled to near absolute zero. At those temperatures, atoms start to behave strangely — acting as both particles and waves. As the atoms “fall” through a sensor, their wave patterns shift in response to acceleration. Using what’s effectively an ultra-precise optical ruler, the system can read these changes with extraordinary accuracy, without needing satellites at all."

Re: Tube trains could navigate the Underground using the rules of Quantum Physics

#57

Call me sceptical, but I suspect if this works very well it will be used in weapons. Which then leads me to think the whole thing is a smoke screen, not sure why

Yes this is weapons technologies. Many targets are fixed (on the earth). If you can fly by wire jamming technology is useless. This was solved for strategic weapons 40 years ago at great cost.

Re: Tube trains could navigate the Underground using the rules of Quantum Physics

#60

The Elixabeth Line runs 24 trains per hour automatically through a 10-station tunnel in central London. It mainly uses axle counters to measure where the train is. https://www.railengineer.co.uk/controlling-the-elizabeth-lin... > The signalling is essentially hands off and is timetable driven. The latter includes GoA3 reversing moves at Paddington and Abbey Wood which are fully automatic as are all entries into and o…

Those odometers would drift as well with wheelslip, unless they are reset any time they enter a known section.
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