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Re: Intel Core Ultra Series 3 Debut as First Built on Intel 18A

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Post by avadodin »

jmward01 wrote: post #5
DrammBA wrote: post #2

> Today at CES, Intel unveiled Intel Core Ultra Series 3 processors, the first AI PC platform built on Intel 18A process technology that was designed and manufactured in the United States. Powering over 200 designs from leading, global partners, Series 3 will be the most broadly adopted and globally available AI PC platform Intel has ever delivered. What in the world is this disaster of an opening paragraph? From the…

I think I have given up on chip naming. I honestly can't tell anymore there are so many modifiers on the names these days. I assume 9 is better than 7 right? Right?

A machine learning model can place a CPU on the versioning manifold but I'm not confident that it could translate it to human speech in a way that was significantly more useful than what we have now.

At best, 14700KF-Intel+AMD might yield relevant results.

Re: Intel Core Ultra Series 3 Debut as First Built on Intel 18A

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Post by w-m »

“With Series 3, we are laser focused on improving power efficiency, adding more CPU performance, a bigger GPU in a class of its own, more AI compute and app compatibility you can count on with x86.” – Jim Johnson, Senior Vice President and General Manager, Client Computing Group, Intel

A laser focus on five things is either business nonsense or optics nonsense. Who was this written for?

Re: Intel Core Ultra Series 3 Debut as First Built on Intel 18A

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Post by Numerlor »

aurareturn wrote: post #41
Numerlor wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lost faith from what? On x86 mobile Lunar lake chips are the clear best for battery life at the moment, and mobile arrowlake is competitive with amd's offerings. Only thing they're missing is a Strix halo equivalent but AMD messed that one up and there's like 2 laptops with it. The new intel node seems to be kinda weaker than tsmc's going by the frequency numbers of the CPUs, but what'll matter the most in a laptop i…

Lunar Lake throttles a lot. It can lose 50% of its performance on battery life. It's not the same as Apple Silicon where the performance is exactly the same plugged in or not. Lunar Lake is also very slow in ST and MT compared to Apple. Qualcomm's X Elite 2 SoCs have a much better chance of duplicating the Macbook experience.

Nobody is duplicating the macbook experience because Apple is integrating both hardware and os, while others are fighting Windows, and OEMs being horrible at firmware.

LNL should only power throttle when you go to power saver modes, battery life will suffer when you let it boost high on all cores but you're not getting great battery life when doing heavy all core loads either way. Overall MT should be better on Panther lake with the unified architecture, as afaik LNLs main problem was being too expensive so higher end high core count SKUs were served by mobile arrow lake. And we're also getting what seems to be a very good iGPU while AMD's iGPUs outside of Strix Halo are barely worth talking about

ST is about the same as AMD. Apple being ahead is nothing out of the ordinary since their ARM switch, as there's the node advantage, what I mentioned with the OS, and just better architecture as they plainly have the best people at the moment working at it

Re: Intel Core Ultra Series 3 Debut as First Built on Intel 18A

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Post by lostlogin »

kergonath wrote: post #43
lostlogin wrote: post #38

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And that root of all that shit lies Apple and the ‘book’ suffix.

Apple is very consistent. You have the MacBook Air (lighter, more portable variant) and the MacBook Pro (more expensive and powerful variant). They don’t mess around with model numbers.

> Apple is very consistent. You have the MacBook Air (lighter, more portable variant) and the MacBook Pro (more expensive and powerful variant).

What about the iBook? That wasn’t tidy. Ebooks or laptops?

Or the iPhone 9? That didn’t exist.

Or MacOS? Versioning got a bit weird after 10.9, due the X thing.

They do mess around with model numbers and have just done it again with the change to year numbers. I don’t particularly care but they aren’t all clean and pure.

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/05/28/gurman-version-...

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Post by stefanfisk »

gambiting wrote: post #20
chrismorgan wrote: post #14

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> I assume 9 is better than 7 right? Right? Oh, the number of times I’ve heard someone assume their five- or ten-year-old machine must be powerful because it’s an i7… no, the i3-14100 (released two years ago) is uniformly significantly superior to the i7-9700 (released five years before that), and only falls behind the i9-9900 in multithreaded performance. Within the same product family and generation, I expect 9 is…

>>Within the same product family and generation, I expect 9 is better than 7 Ah the good old Dell laptop engineering, where the i9 is better on paper, but in reality it throttles within 5 seconds of starting any significant load and the cpu nerfs itself below even i5 performance. Classic Dell move.

Apple had the same problem before they launched the M1. Unless your workloads are extremely bursty the i9 MacBook is almost guaranteed to be slower than the base i7.

Re: Intel Core Ultra Series 3 Debut as First Built on Intel 18A

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Post by stefanfisk »

lostlogin wrote: post #55
kergonath wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is very consistent. You have the MacBook Air (lighter, more portable variant) and the MacBook Pro (more expensive and powerful variant). They don’t mess around with model numbers.

> Apple is very consistent. You have the MacBook Air (lighter, more portable variant) and the MacBook Pro (more expensive and powerful variant). What about the iBook? That wasn’t tidy. Ebooks or laptops? Or the iPhone 9? That didn’t exist. Or MacOS? Versioning got a bit weird after 10.9, due the X thing. They do mess around with model numbers and have just done it again with the change to year numbers. I don’t partic…

It was a response to you specifically calling out the book suffix.

And what was unclear iBook VS PowerBook?

Re: Intel Core Ultra Series 3 Debut as First Built on Intel 18A

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gambiting wrote: post #20
chrismorgan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I assume 9 is better than 7 right? Right? Oh, the number of times I’ve heard someone assume their five- or ten-year-old machine must be powerful because it’s an i7… no, the i3-14100 (released two years ago) is uniformly significantly superior to the i7-9700 (released five years before that), and only falls behind the i9-9900 in multithreaded performance. Within the same product family and generation, I expect 9 is…

>>Within the same product family and generation, I expect 9 is better than 7 Ah the good old Dell laptop engineering, where the i9 is better on paper, but in reality it throttles within 5 seconds of starting any significant load and the cpu nerfs itself below even i5 performance. Classic Dell move.

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Re: Intel Core Ultra Series 3 Debut as First Built on Intel 18A

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Post by lostlogin »

stefanfisk wrote: post #57
lostlogin wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple is very consistent. You have the MacBook Air (lighter, more portable variant) and the MacBook Pro (more expensive and powerful variant). What about the iBook? That wasn’t tidy. Ebooks or laptops? Or the iPhone 9? That didn’t exist. Or MacOS? Versioning got a bit weird after 10.9, due the X thing. They do mess around with model numbers and have just done it again with the change to year numbers. I don’t partic…

It was a response to you specifically calling out the book suffix. And what was unclear iBook VS PowerBook?

The iBook store.

Sorry, I thought you were saying that they don’t use model numbers at all.

I think you were actually saying that they don’t just them for laptops.

Re: Intel Core Ultra Series 3 Debut as First Built on Intel 18A

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Post by lostlogin »

edgineer wrote: post #46
lostlogin wrote: post #38

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And that root of all that shit lies Apple and the ‘book’ suffix.

Apple did not invent the -book suffix for model names of notebook computers.

Thanks - I didn’t know that.

Looks like it was Notebook in 1982 and Dynabook after that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notebook_computer

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