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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#52
I'll voice the unpopular opinion: As someone who can parse images faster than text, I tend to find what I'm looking for faster in macOS Tahoe.

Still, my primary OS is Linux, but for laptops I prefer macOS, and it's still in acceptable shape.

However, I'll agree that Tahoe has far more papercuts than its predecessors. It needs a "Snow Tahoe" version.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#54
This isn't the only aspect of Tahoe that seems amateurishly designed by someone following "wrong rules", the wrong rule here being "for consistency, let's assign an icon to every action.

Another wrong rules I've seen blindly followed is making everything an edge-to-edge canvas, so that the sidebar floats on top. Having a full-window canvas with floating sidebars can make sense for applications where content is expansive and inherently spatial (like say, Figma) or applications where the sidebar is an actual floating element that can be moved around (like Photoshop once was).

It doesn't make sense in Finder, or Reminders, where the content is ultimately just a list. Forcing the sidebar "to float on top of the content" yields no benefit because the content wont ever scroll under it, and because it can't be moved anyway, but it does lead to wasted space, that ugly "double border", etc.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#55

Is there a reason Apple can’t focus on system improvements instead of constantly tweaking with their UI so thoroughly every couple years? I don’t disagree the OS UI needs to be revamped periodically, but it seems they do it too often.

The bosses who are actually in charge likely don’t even use their Macs (and when they do, they only use the web browser) and only care about how the OS is going to look in the demo, not how it works.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#56

It's hard to justify snowflake animations on your website...

It's very annoying, but you can turn it off (snowflake icon, although then you get a yellow background), and IMO the article content is worth reading.

I tried that then discarded it, because it doesn't immediately hide the snowflakes that are already on screen.

The article is good but the choice of distracting snowflakes or radioactive piss burning your retina is not a welcome one.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#58
post #46

Is there a reason Apple can’t focus on system improvements instead of constantly tweaking with their UI so thoroughly every couple years? I don’t disagree the OS UI needs to be revamped periodically, but it seems they do it too often.

It's a damned if you don't, damned if you do. Apple could release a new system with zero UI updates and tons of internal improvements and people would call it 'old' and 'dated' and 'lack of innovation'. It's a bit like adding new emojis in an OS release. There's been reports that new emojis are one of the drivers for getting people to upgrade. No one cares about a zero day security flaw, but that new kiss emoji every…

It's been 16 years since Snow Leopard. I think we're ready for another one.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#59
Interesting.

The article starts with this: > Sequoia → Tahoe It’s bad

And I look at the image... And I like it? I agree with the author that it could be better, but most of the icons (new, open recent, close, save, duplicate, print, share etc), do make it easier, faster and more pleasant for my brain to parse the menu vs no icons.

Again, I don't disagree that you could do it better, I just disagree with the premise that the 1992 manual is "the authority". Display density has increased dramatically; people use their computers more and have been accustomed to those interfaces, which makes the relationship of the people with the interfaces different. Quoting a 1992 guideline on interfaces in 2026 feels like quoting the greeks on philosophy while ignoring our understandings of the world since then.

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