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Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #42
faidit wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say they were. What's ridiculous is to suggest that piracy, war crimes and kidnapping by the dictator-loving Trump regime will bring about free elections.

Why not? The Venezuelan opposition will more than likely be installed and these are the people who won the previous election.

No, the VP of Maduro was installed. His party still holds all power and Venezuela's democracy is still dead. But now they're also a puppet state allowing the US to extract their oil for profit.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by mothballed »

impossiblefork wrote: post #32
mothballed wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might as well declare they are president of USA as well while they're at it. Maduro's regime was just publicly emasculated. They already had no legitimacy due to a fraudulent election and now they have no physical power either. Without might makes right (US puppet) or some recognition of legitimacy, any leader is little more than a loudspeaker in a pretty house.

I don't agree and I don't think it would have mattered if it were true. Delcy Rodríguez is president now. Presumably their military is treating her as the president.

Trump claimed in the press conference that we will be controlling their government via her as a puppet and if they don't do what we say we'll put boots on the ground. And I am not even slightly embellishing. So sure she is the 'president' but only by proxy.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by mamonster »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #50
mamonster wrote: post #44

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The global impact of this is that nuclear non-proliferation is basically about to die. Iran, Ukraine, Venezuela and the complete absence of any regime change attempts in North Korea is enough evidence.

Let’s be real, it’s been toast since the Iran-Israel versus Russia-Ukraine split screen. Bending over backward to help a nuclear power while doing the same to avoid irritating another. Poland, Taiwan and Ukraine should try to get nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, so should Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E. and Iran.

>Poland, Taiwan and Ukraine should try to get nuclear weapons.

Poland is gonna get them in 2026 in a roundabout way because I fully expect Macron to actually extend the French nuclear umbrella to the EU as he has hinted he wants to do.

The other 2 countries won't happen ever. The moment you start a nuclear program you are a rogue state for the US and those 2 countries rely too much on the US, especially Taiwan.

>Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E and Iran Well Iran is working on theirs. The other 2 don't have state capacity to develop their own nuclear program so unless Putin sells them nukes I really don't know how they would do it.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by ksherlock »

moralestapia wrote: post #40
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #14

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> where do we go from here? My honest guess? Cuba. (If I were in charge from this minute on, I’d offer Maduro a pardon, asylum and a mountain of cash to (a) assist with a regime change and (b) tell us all of Cuba, Iran, Russia and China’s nasty business.)

Lol, Cuba has zero (if not negative) value.

Cuba is better location for a Trump beachside hotel and casino than, say, Gaza.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by scotty79 »

supermatt wrote: post #35
scotty79 wrote: post #18

Kidnapping president of another country? That's new right?

Capturing the head of state has happened many times historically. I think the USA is the only sovereign state to have done it in recent history though (and multiple times at that!).

Oh, yeah Panama 1989 H.W.Bush

Apparently modern old farts in power can only reanact things they've seen in their 'youth'.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by impossiblefork »

mothballed wrote: post #52
impossiblefork wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree and I don't think it would have mattered if it were true. Delcy Rodríguez is president now. Presumably their military is treating her as the president.

Trump claimed in the press conference that we will be controlling their government via her as a puppet and if they don't do what we say we'll put boots on the ground. And I am not even slightly embellishing. So sure she is the 'president' but only by proxy.

That seems fairly unlikely though.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by titoktok »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #11
blob17 wrote: post #8

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are you saying this as a local to the area or as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" lmao.

> as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" American living in America who knows Venzeulans in America, most of whom didn't want this. But. All of whom would want their country to democratise. Whether blowing up the capital and kidnapping their dictator causes that to happen is questionable. But Venezuela has cultural memory of democracy. (On the other hand, there seems to be zero effort–a…

but. leave others alone

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by scotty79 »

gitaarik wrote: post #56
scotty79 wrote: post #18

Kidnapping president of another country? That's new right?

What about Saddam Hussein?

Wasn't he basically executed with extra steps after thoroughly trashing his county first?

I think that's a different thing.

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