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Cameras and Lenses (2020)

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Re: Cameras and Lenses (2020)

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Post by dpark »

sho_hn wrote: post #38
dpark wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's basically fact regurgitation. This page wasn’t a regurgitation of facts. It was filled with custom interactive applets that let you explore the effects of physical changes. The core value proposition here is not the facts but the ability to explore and intuit the physics.

I do understand the contention is that an LLM would be less thoughtful in editorializing which bits to make interactive, reasoning about the progression in understanding and delight by the user. I'm not so sure it's that far out of reach, though. From what I've seen the reasoning models do, they're not too far away from being able to run a strategy of figuring out interesting increments of a problem, parameterizing t…

I said nothing about LLMs. I said this page was not simply regurgitation of facts.

I personally doubt LLMs are close to producing anything like this, but that wasn’t the point. You indicated that this should be easy for an LLM because it’s just a fact dump. Regardless of whether some future LLM can generate something like this, it’s much more complicated and interesting than a simple fact dump.

Re: Cameras and Lenses (2020)

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Post by roywiggins »

sneak wrote: post #50
roywiggins wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Static sites are straightforward, yeah. Highly dynamic websites like this one commonly explode when you archive them naively.

There is nothing dynamic about this site in the sense of “static site”. This may well be a static site.

Wikipedia, at least, uses the same terminology as me:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_web_page?wprov=sfla1

> A client-side dynamic web page processes the web page using JavaScript running in the browser as it loads.

The linked page is one of those. They're often harder to scrape than server-side rendered webforums and the like.

Re: Cameras and Lenses (2020)

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Post by roywiggins »

KPGv2 wrote: post #47
zbendefy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangential, but Flash had a nice side effect that the "app" could be exported in a self contained way via SWF. Exporting this site for example in a future proof way is not that obvious. (Exporting as pdf wont work with the webgl applets, exporting the html page might work but is error prone depending in the website structure) 50 years from now, flash emulators will still work on swf files, but these sites might be lo…

> 50 years from now, flash emulators will still work on swf files I'm not sure 50 years from now there will be flash emulators. Who is going to write on for the XP3.12345235 Fruity Ununpentium Silicon x256^2 neuralink devices. Didn't Flash die because iPhones weren't going to support it? So one of the major OSes people spend most of their lives on can't even run SFW files. Can Android? I've honestly never tried. But…

Ruffle, the Flash runtime emulator, does run in the browser.

Re: Cameras and Lenses (2020)

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Post by i_am_a_peasant »

stared wrote: post #15

I am amazed by people like Bartosz Ciechanowski and Andrey Karpathy. What would be a lifetime side project for other smart and curious people, they seem to release every quarter. How do they do it? Most people who are smart and creative are nowhere near as productive. And most people who are extremely productive don't get sidetracked by side projects.

tbh i think they just don’t procrastinate and do stuff

Re: Cameras and Lenses (2020)

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Post by pava0 »

zbendefy wrote: post #26
nntwozz wrote: post #24

Bartosz Ciechanowski's blog brings back the joy of surfing the web during the heyday of Adobe Flash (minus the 100% CPU). It's so much fun manipulating things, exploring and getting surprising feedback. I know it's not really fair to compare this highly scientific masterpiece to the artistic flash websites of the past, but for me at least it immediately evokes the same feelings.

Tangential, but Flash had a nice side effect that the "app" could be exported in a self contained way via SWF. Exporting this site for example in a future proof way is not that obvious. (Exporting as pdf wont work with the webgl applets, exporting the html page might work but is error prone depending in the website structure) 50 years from now, flash emulators will still work on swf files, but these sites might be lo…

I strongly suggest you try (the selfhosted version of) Browsertrix from Webrecorder, it's really well done, actively delevoped and can export the website as .wacz without problem.

Re: Cameras and Lenses (2020)

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Post by morning-coffee »

sho_hn wrote: post #17
behnamoh wrote: post #4

Can we donate to creative individuals like the OP so they keep making amazing stuff? This is the kind of output LLMs will not be able to produce any time soon.

"Make a Bartosz-style website about $topic" seems like a fun benchmark idea. Maybe more so than pelicans on bicycles. To be honest, though, this seems like ideal content for an LLM to produce. It's basically fact regurgitation.

> To be honest, though, this seems like ideal content for an LLM to produce. It's basically fact regurgitation.

You're trolling us, right? "Basically fact regurgitation" is all that teachers do after all. Have you ever noticed the difference between an inspirational teacher and a not-so-inspiring one in terms of effectiveness of communication and the "ah ha!" or lack of moments in your own understanding? If you can honestly say "no", then I might be able to understand your statement above, but really?

Re: Cameras and Lenses (2020)

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Post by lossyalgo »

sneak wrote: post #49
KPGv2 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 50 years from now, flash emulators will still work on swf files I'm not sure 50 years from now there will be flash emulators. Who is going to write on for the XP3.12345235 Fruity Ununpentium Silicon x256^2 neuralink devices. Didn't Flash die because iPhones weren't going to support it? So one of the major OSes people spend most of their lives on can't even run SFW files. Can Android? I've honestly never tried. But…

50 years from now there will be emulators that can run the OSes of today that can run flash emulators.

Assuming RAM and GPU prices come down again so that we can afford to buy our own hardware instead of running everything in the cloud, which forbids "nefarious" software. /s?

Edit: Steve from Gamer's Nexus basically agrees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHO9UtvTPSA

Re: Cameras and Lenses (2020)

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Post by lossyalgo »

sneak wrote: post #50
roywiggins wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Static sites are straightforward, yeah. Highly dynamic websites like this one commonly explode when you archive them naively.

There is nothing dynamic about this site in the sense of “static site”. This may well be a static site.

I tried several "static site download" plugins such as SingleFile for FireFox and none of the sliders work :(
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