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CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by dwroberts »

kubb wrote: post #4

It’s hard to believe that so recently, “serious” people would fund research of literal mumbo jumbo. By all means, the 90s was a different time epistemologically. We aren’t immune to this today, far from it, though the hoaxes have become way more believable in my assessment.

Another element that is ignored in all of this is: How much of this is really intended to be genuine research? The CIA is an intelligence agency, and misdirection is part of counter-intelligence.

Putting legitimate resources into a phony cause could be an effective way of leading an enemy astray, if you know they are intercepting or replicating the same research you're doing (or if you happen to " leak " details to them).

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by pmontra »

sxp wrote: post #44

For those who want to consider the mundane explanation about remote viewing: remember that humans can still be surprised by the birthday paradox and other synchronicities that occur when sampling data at large scale. So across thousands of sessions, the weak coincidences documented by the Stargate project are expected. For those who want a skeptical & cynical view: if remote viewing works, it would be part of the sta…

Hedge funds? Yes but before than that, armies would use RV to get targets, secrets, etc. There are plenty of wars around the world and a lot of money involved.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by noworld »

akatechis wrote: post #36
noworld wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first PDF is the record of a remote viewing session from 2 days before the USS Stark incident, and it is eerily similar to the incident. The feelings and "atmosphere" (can't think of a better word for it) sound like what you might expect on a ship being attacked by a random missile. For example: 1. The drawing on p. 7 looks like the superstructure of a warship. 2. The next few pages might describe what it feels l…

> the CIA report predates the attack, which is especially strange It's only strange if you believe the CIA released notes from their super-secret psychic program rather than the more plausible explanation that this is disinformation that was backdated for a boost of prestige.

Can you give me some evidence that this document was backdated? I'm not saying the government isn't shady AF, but I just wonder what's behind the immediate jump to "this has to be BS" rather than keeping an open mind.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by Teever »

kubb wrote: post #49
Teever wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any examples of these easily identifiable contemporary hoaxes?

Are there any areas in which you'd feel attacked if I poined out a hoax?

Not at all.

I enjoy the subject of conspiracies and hoaxes without holding a strong personal affinity towards any particular one.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by kubb »

Teever wrote: post #54
kubb wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any areas in which you'd feel attacked if I poined out a hoax?

Not at all. I enjoy the subject of conspiracies and hoaxes without holding a strong personal affinity towards any particular one.

Cool, the low hanging fruit then:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_pr...

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by gtdhvy »

pmontra wrote: post #52
sxp wrote: post #44

For those who want to consider the mundane explanation about remote viewing: remember that humans can still be surprised by the birthday paradox and other synchronicities that occur when sampling data at large scale. So across thousands of sessions, the weak coincidences documented by the Stargate project are expected. For those who want a skeptical & cynical view: if remote viewing works, it would be part of the sta…

Hedge funds? Yes but before than that, armies would use RV to get targets, secrets, etc. There are plenty of wars around the world and a lot of money involved.

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Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by noworld »

ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 wrote: post #46
noworld wrote: post #8

I always thought this was interesting. May 15, 1987: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R0017000... May 17, 1987: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident

There just as much completely unrelated to the incident in that as there is related. Also, what guarantee is there that whomever created that document didn't just date it two days prior to acquire more funding for doing spooky things?

I don't think there's a "guarantee" that it wasn't backdated, but there isn't any evidence of that either.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by bfuller »

sxp wrote: post #44

For those who want to consider the mundane explanation about remote viewing: remember that humans can still be surprised by the birthday paradox and other synchronicities that occur when sampling data at large scale. So across thousands of sessions, the weak coincidences documented by the Stargate project are expected. For those who want a skeptical & cynical view: if remote viewing works, it would be part of the sta…

What would be the price of revealing this information advantage?

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by kjkjadksj »

sxp wrote: post #44

For those who want to consider the mundane explanation about remote viewing: remember that humans can still be surprised by the birthday paradox and other synchronicities that occur when sampling data at large scale. So across thousands of sessions, the weak coincidences documented by the Stargate project are expected. For those who want a skeptical & cynical view: if remote viewing works, it would be part of the sta…

The issue with remote viewing as the CIA understood it was not that it didn’t work. By all means there are documents that indicated it did work. The difficulty however was that the training program was unreliable and insufficient to establish a reliable pipeline to competency like other military skills.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by kjkjadksj »

diogenes_atx wrote: post #30

No surprise here. The geniuses at the CIA failed to anticipate the fall of the Soviet Union, ignored the warning signs about 9/11, and falsely claimed there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq during the American invasion in 2003. Apparently the so-called intelligence agency was busy with important research on "telepathy," "psychokinesis" and other "para-psychological phenomena."

I thought the story was the CIA and other intelligence said there are not wmds, but the bush whitehouse said there were anyhow and invaded all the same.
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