tl;dw please?
There's a summary directly below the video (though its not a very good summary). Basically, it's easily to generate valid tickets with fake bank credentials, which then get canceled later (but after already being resold).
All my Deutschlandtickets gone: Fraud at an industrial scale [video]
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But it's not nice (socially normal?) to post "tl;dw" either. It's okay, we disagreed on something. I'll agree to learn something from it if you do. Happy new year.
It's not nice, and in fact really quite rude, to complain about people trying to make something more accessible. You don't have to be nice and help, but complaining about it is definitely not nice.
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But it's not nice (socially normal?) to post "tl;dw" either. It's okay, we disagreed on something. I'll agree to learn something from it if you do. Happy new year.
It's not nice, and in fact really quite rude, to complain about people trying to make something more accessible. You don't have to be nice and help, but complaining about it is definitely not nice.
I think that might be a stretch, but I acknowledge I should've been nicer all the same. All the best to you as well.
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fyi regional trains (which the deutschlandticket is valid for) are very punctual, it is the long distance/ICE trains that are always late/broken, and you cannot ride those with thw deutschlandticket anyways.
no they are not. source: i am german and i use regional trains occasionally
Most local and S-Bahn trains in Germany are pretty decent, data is pretty clear on this. Its not Swiss level but still pretty good. Nothing compare to ICE.
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#55Is there a similar ticket, flat for 50 Dollar per month, that takes you through the US? I wonder who pays for the real cost of the ticket, who cleans and repairs the trains, who invests in infrastructure and all that. I always wonder how the germans can pull this off for 50 Euro. Magic.
> I wonder who pays for the real cost of the ticket
Everybody already has local regional tickets anyway. And most people can't be in more then one place at the time anyway. And most people stay in the same region most of the time anyway.
So really you are not losing much compared to having separate local region tickets in a system where the long distance trains are separated.
> who cleans and repairs the trains
The already existing organizations that have run the trains for a long time.
> who invests in infrastructure and all that
The government ...
> I always wonder how the germans can pull this off for 50 Euro. Magic.
Its not magic its just a transportation policy and taxes.
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DB is only in its current state (company organization, leadership failures, organizational failures, underfunding for decades, etc) because of previous governments' failed attempts at privatization decades ago. Full actual privatization would not likely have yielded any better results - especially regarding the actual infrastructure itself. (There's enough examples worldwide) It's also been used for cushy post-politi…
You are contradicting yourself. On the on hand you claim that a government-run railway company is better off than a privately run (Japan tends to disagree here). On the other hand you admit that the problems of Deutsche Bahn stem from the fact that politicians have had too much influence on it. Guess how you can keep politicians out of companies? By keeping them private. I will never understand why so many people thi…
Japan isn't really disagreeing. Japan had decades of tight control and infrastructure investment led by the government. Only pretty narrow rail operations are done privately. And in a system where those companies know pretty well that if they try things that go to far, they will have political issues.
And japan is also an exception, as most other system that do work well are not like Japan at all.
> I will never understand why so many people think that companies are magically doing better because the government is running them. That’s just a myth.
That's not really the claim. The reason government running them can work well is because you can run it like an integrated system for the public good. You can actually do system wide planning and implementation and transformation. You can do targeted investment across the whole live-cycle of the system and all its components. You can drive standardization.
Sure if a single company owned everything, they could do that to. But to have a single monopoly normal private company running so much of a countries infrastructure would be patently insane. And literally nobody has or will ever run things that way.
Britain trying to privatize Network Rail is about as close to as you are going to get. And that lasted for a few years at most.
> However, the huge advantage with private companies is that customers have options thanks to competition.
In a perfect world maybe, but when we are talking about rail systems, you do not magically get many rail lines between places just because you say 'private'.
It takes 100s of years of infrastructure and investment to build up a rail network.
And to unlock the true potential of that infrastructure having competing companies run trains on it, is just one marginal potentially beneficial thing you can do. And of the things you can do, its far, far, far away from what actually impacts the consumer the most.
This is completely clear to all experts that study this topic. Complete integrated time-tabling, planning and standardization is far more important then marginal competition on few main lines.
> As for Deutsche Bahn, the government has full control over it meaning the company is run by the government. Whether it’s officially a German Aktiengesellschaft or not, doesn’t matter at all.
You are narrowly talking about legal technicalities. But you are ignoring the larger cultural and historical aspect.
The fact is, the way the German government created the DB was to be private and to make money. That lead the DB culturally to act much differently then traditional national railway companies, like SBB.
And like an actual company they started to invest widely in all sorts of stuff while not focusing on their core business.
So legally it might not matter, but historically it for sure this. It actually makes a difference if your railway company is primary a national instrument to bring affordable public transportation to the people, or if its designed to be a profit making company.
> Your argument is often brought up by proponents of a government-run railway so that they don’t have to admit that Deutsche Bahn isn’t doing well despite being run by the government.
Everybody knows that government ownerships isn't a magic pill. And most people admit that DB isn't doing well and that its government owned. What people dislike is how DB is organized and set up and how politics and DB interacts.
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no they are not. source: i am german and i use regional trains occasionally
Most local and S-Bahn trains in Germany are pretty decent, data is pretty clear on this. Its not Swiss level but still pretty good. Nothing compare to ICE.
not sure what you count RB/RE as, but they are absolutely broken as well in my experience.
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The problem is the lack of centralization - there should obviously only be one issuer of this ticket and thus just only one website / app to keep bug free.
Lack of centralization is one part of it (see also: communal digital services), yes, but the complete lack of standards and guidelines is also a massive issue. I tried buying a Deutschlandticket from the DB Navigator app a while back, and immediately ran into some issues: - they only take credit card, probably because of the massive SEPA fraud they've had happen - they require id verification with a third party(!), w…
Isn’t that one of the problems mentioned in the video? Being able to buy and get the ticket before the payment is fully validated?
(Or did your local Verkehrsverbund require you to use another payment for the initial purchase other than bank transfer?)
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#59Is there a similar ticket, flat for 50 Dollar per month, that takes you through the US? I wonder who pays for the real cost of the ticket, who cleans and repairs the trains, who invests in infrastructure and all that. I always wonder how the germans can pull this off for 50 Euro. Magic.
Continental USA: 8 million square kilometer. Germany: 0.35 million square kilometer. On the point of the upkeep, locals know German trains are now legendary for unpunctuality and cancellations, so maybe it's not working. But the answer is obviously (trigger warning for the libertarians...) taxes. The ticket came about because energy prices went crazy after their energy dealer Putin went crazy and warry, I think it wa…
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#60Is there a similar ticket, flat for 50 Dollar per month, that takes you through the US? I wonder who pays for the real cost of the ticket, who cleans and repairs the trains, who invests in infrastructure and all that. I always wonder how the germans can pull this off for 50 Euro. Magic.
> I wonder who pays for the real cost of the ticket Everybody already has local regional tickets anyway. And most people can't be in more then one place at the time anyway. And most people stay in the same region most of the time anyway. So really you are not losing much compared to having separate local region tickets in a system where the long distance trains are separated. > who cleans and repairs the trains The a…
Not sure I understand your point about
Everybody already has local regional tickets anyway. And most people can't be in more then one place at the time anyway. And most people stay in the same region most of the time anyway.
I live in Rostock. So if I want to go to Berlin or Hamburg (you know, where stuff like actual airports are) I am crossing "regional borders" even if it is a 200-250 km trip to each city