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ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Post by Someone1234 »

shafyy wrote: post #33
Someone1234 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. It is wise if you are or were a legal immigrant (or have family members who are), to keep your head down.

But that's exactly wrong. The people have the power, but only if enough people resist.

Suggesting that the most legally vulnerable group be careful isn't wrong, it is the reality for which they find themselves.

66%~ of the US either voted for this, or were indifferent about it, and are a group which cannot be deported/denaturalized. Perhaps that group should step up instead of the I think it quite telling hearing born-Americans asking green card and naturalized citizens to be their "resistance" for decisions they themselves made. Reads like looking for cannon fodder, who can just be trivially deported/denaturalized while the immune citizenship sits back and points at how bad things are.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Post by expedition32 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #24
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot comment on whether America is becoming a police state or not because i am a greencard holder subject to cancellation of the greencard at any time at the whims of the current administration.

Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. It is wise if you are or were a legal immigrant (or have family members who are), to keep your head down.

I would advise people from EU or Canada not to become US citizens. When shit goes bad you always have an exit.

Meanwhile Americans who "vote with their feet" will be stopped.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Post by Alex2037 »

krapp wrote: post #23
SimianSci wrote: post #8

Its pretty clear that ICE is being used as a means of forming an industry similar to that of the Military Industrial complex, but focused on law-enforcement and domestic action. What alarms me here is that once a certain level of investment and industry is built, it will necessitate a means of self-sustaining itself and will attempt to find this through political investment. I fully expect a domestic version of the "…

It's actually about white supremacy and turning the US into a Christofascist ethnostate but y'all aren't ready to take that conversation seriously. The militarization of domestic policing and surveillance is just a means to an end.

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Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Post by biophysboy »

Alex2037 wrote: post #53
krapp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually about white supremacy and turning the US into a Christofascist ethnostate but y'all aren't ready to take that conversation seriously. The militarization of domestic policing and surveillance is just a means to an end.

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You should think for yourself instead of using outdated 4chan meme words.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Post by Teever »

throw-12-16 wrote: post #45
SimianSci wrote: post #8

Its pretty clear that ICE is being used as a means of forming an industry similar to that of the Military Industrial complex, but focused on law-enforcement and domestic action. What alarms me here is that once a certain level of investment and industry is built, it will necessitate a means of self-sustaining itself and will attempt to find this through political investment. I fully expect a domestic version of the "…

ICE is MAGA’s analogue to the SS. Diehards specifically recruited for their commitment to the cause. They will be the ones making jokes while digging mass graves.

It is far closer to the SA than the SS. The MAGA equivalent of the SS hasn’t seen the light of day yet.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Post by Ritewut »

Someone1234 wrote: post #51
shafyy wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's exactly wrong. The people have the power, but only if enough people resist.

Suggesting that the most legally vulnerable group be careful isn't wrong, it is the reality for which they find themselves. 66%~ of the US either voted for this, or were indifferent about it, and are a group which cannot be deported/denaturalized. Perhaps that group should step up instead of the I think it quite telling hearing born-Americans asking green card and naturalized citizens to be their "resistance" for dec…

The group of people who voted for this needs to stand up against it and I don't see that happening because it requires admitting you were wrong and got conned and people would rather die than do that.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Post by krapp »

Alex2037 wrote: post #53
krapp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually about white supremacy and turning the US into a Christofascist ethnostate but y'all aren't ready to take that conversation seriously. The militarization of domestic policing and surveillance is just a means to an end.

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Trump is just a miserable narcissistic racist (and rapist) consumed with a bitter desire for vengeance against the left, and thus an easily manipulated tool for the people actually setting this up. Anyone with half a brain has been watching the normalization of white nationalism and right-wing extremism escalate and accelerate since 2016 and can see that it isn't entirely about Trump.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Post by Ritewut »

throw24817 wrote: post #15

They should focus on immigrant CEOs and politicians from South Africa and India who currently enrich themselves and deregulate and enshittify the tech industry. Even MAGA didn't vote for this.

They voted for it and you see them in this very thread.
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