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Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#51
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Does anyone know the context? It looks like an email from "AI Village" [1] which says it has a bunch of AI agents "collaborating on projects". So, one just decided to email well-known programmers thanking them for their work? [1] https://theaidigest.org/village

They were given a prompt by a human to “ do as many wonderful acts of kindness as possible, with human confirmation required.”

https://theaidigest.org/village/goal/do-random-acts-kindness

They send 150ish emails.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#53
post #3

No "going nuclear" there. A human and emotional reaction I think many here can relate to. BTW I think it's preferred to link directly to the content instead of a screenshot on imgur.

X, The Everything App, requires an account for you to even view a tweet link. No clever way around it :/

replace x.com with xcancel.com or nitter.net, lol.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#54
Honestly, I could do a lot worse than finding myself in agreement with Rob Pike.

Now feel free to dismiss him as a luddite, or a raving lunatic. The cat is out of the bag, everyone is drunk on the AI promise and like most things on the Internet, the middle way is vanishingly small, the rest is a scorched battlefield of increasingly entrenched factions. I guess I am fighting this one alongside one of the great minds of software engineering, who peaked when thinking hard was prized more than churning out low quality regurgitated code by the ton, whose work formed the pillars of the Internet now and forevermore submersed by spam.

Only for the true capitalist, the achievement of turning human ingenuity into yet another commodity to be mass-produced is a good thing.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#55

The cat's out of the bag. Even if US companies stop building data centers, China isn't going to stop and even if AI/LLMs are a bubble, do we just stop and let China/other countries take the lead?

China and Europe (Mistral) show that models can be very good and much smaller then the current Chatgpt's/Claudes from this world. The US models are still the best, but for how long? And at what cost? It's great to work daily with Claude Code, but how realistic is it that they keep this lead.

This is a new tech where I don't see a big future role for US tech. They blocked chips, so China built their own. They blocked the machines (ASML) so China built their own.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#56
From my point of view, many programmers hate Gen AI because they feel like they've lost a lot of power. With LLMs advancing, they go from kings of the company to normal employees. This is not unlike many industries where some technology or machine automates much of what they do and they resist.

For programmers, they lose the power to command a huge salary writing software and to "bully" non-technical people in the company around.

Traditional programmers are no longer some of the highest paid tech people around. It's AI engineers/researchers. Obviously many software devs can transition into AI devs but it involves learning, starting from the bottom, etc. For older entrenched programmers, it's not always easy to transition from something they're familiar with.

Losing the ability to "bully" business people inside tech companies is a hard pill to swallow for many software devs. I remember the CEO of my tech company having to bend the knees to keep the software team happy so they don't leave and because he doesn't have insights into how the software is written. Meanwhile, he had no problem overwhelming business folks in meetings. Software devs always talked to the CEO with confidence because they knew something he didn't, the code.

When a product manager can generate a highly detailed and working demo of what he wants in 5 minutes using gen AI, the traditional software developer loses a ton of power in tech companies.

/signed as someone who writes software

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#60
Ouch.

While I can see where he's coming from, agentvillage.org from the screenshot sounded intriguing to me, so I looked at it.

https://theaidigest.org/village

Clicking on memory next to Claude Opus 4.5, I found Rob Pike along with other lucky recipients:

    - Anders Hejlsberg
    - Guido van Rossum
    - Rob Pike
    - Ken Thompson
    - Brian Kernighan
    - James Gosling
    - Bjarne Stroustrup
    - Donald Knuth
    - Vint Cerf
    - Larry Wall
    - Leslie Lamport
    - Alan Kay
    - Butler Lampson
    - Barbara Liskov
    - Tony Hoare
    - Robert Tarjan
    - John Hopcroft
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