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MiniMax M2.1: Built for Real-World Complex Tasks, Multi-Language Programming

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Re: MiniMax M2.1: Built for Real-World Complex Tasks, Multi-Language Programming

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Post by azuanrb »

kachapopopow wrote: post #40

I think people should stop comparing to sonnet, but to opus instead since it's so far ahead on producing code I would actually want to use (gemini 3 pro tends to be lacking in generalization and wants things to be using it's own style rather than adapting). Whatever benchmark opus is ahead in should be treated as a very important metric of proper generalization in models.

I generally prefer Sonnet as comparison too. Opus, as good as it is, is just too expensive. The "best" model is the one I can use, not the one I can't afford.

These days, by default I just use Sonnet/Haiku. In most cases it's more than good enough for me. It's plenty with $20 plan.

With MiniMax, or GLM-4.7, some people like me are just looking for Sonnet level capability at much cheaper price.

Re: MiniMax M2.1: Built for Real-World Complex Tasks, Multi-Language Programming

#52

Post by Alifatisk »

redman25 wrote: post #25
Invictus0 wrote: post #21

How is everyone monitoring the skill/utility of all these different models? I am overwhelmed by how many they are, and the challenge of monitoring their capability across so many different modalities.

https://www.swebench.com https://swe-rebench.com https://livebench.ai/#/ https://eqbench.com/# https://contextarena.ai/?needles=8 https://metr.org/blog/2025-03-19-measuring-ai-ability-to-com... https://artificialanalysis.ai/leaderboards/models https://gorilla.cs.berkeley.edu/leaderboard.html https://github.com/lechmazur/confabulations https://dubesor.de/benchtable https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/llm-benchmark.html http…

I’d stick to artificial analysis

Re: MiniMax M2.1: Built for Real-World Complex Tasks, Multi-Language Programming

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Post by baq »

azuanrb wrote: post #51
kachapopopow wrote: post #40

I think people should stop comparing to sonnet, but to opus instead since it's so far ahead on producing code I would actually want to use (gemini 3 pro tends to be lacking in generalization and wants things to be using it's own style rather than adapting). Whatever benchmark opus is ahead in should be treated as a very important metric of proper generalization in models.

I generally prefer Sonnet as comparison too. Opus, as good as it is, is just too expensive. The "best" model is the one I can use, not the one I can't afford. These days, by default I just use Sonnet/Haiku. In most cases it's more than good enough for me. It's plenty with $20 plan. With MiniMax, or GLM-4.7, some people like me are just looking for Sonnet level capability at much cheaper price.

are you counting price per token or price per successful task? I'm pretty sure opus 4.5 is cheaper per task than sonnet in some use cases.

Re: MiniMax M2.1: Built for Real-World Complex Tasks, Multi-Language Programming

#54

Post by mjburgess »

azuanrb wrote: post #51
kachapopopow wrote: post #40

I think people should stop comparing to sonnet, but to opus instead since it's so far ahead on producing code I would actually want to use (gemini 3 pro tends to be lacking in generalization and wants things to be using it's own style rather than adapting). Whatever benchmark opus is ahead in should be treated as a very important metric of proper generalization in models.

I generally prefer Sonnet as comparison too. Opus, as good as it is, is just too expensive. The "best" model is the one I can use, not the one I can't afford. These days, by default I just use Sonnet/Haiku. In most cases it's more than good enough for me. It's plenty with $20 plan. With MiniMax, or GLM-4.7, some people like me are just looking for Sonnet level capability at much cheaper price.

Are you using GLM-4.7? I've just spent a fortune on Opus, and I heard GLM was close -- but after integrating it into cursor, it seems to spin forever, loose tool use, and generates partial? plans. I did look into using it with the claude cli tool, so it could be cursor specific -- but I havent had the best experience despite going for the pro plan with them. Any advise on how you're using GLM effectively? If at all

At the moment Opus is the only model i can trust even when it generates "refactoring work", it can do the refactoring.

Re: MiniMax M2.1: Built for Real-World Complex Tasks, Multi-Language Programming

#55

Post by fluoridation »

tw1984 wrote: post #31
jimmydoe wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they are going IPO in HKEX in a few weeks. some hype up are necessary, not too far fetched imo, pretty much same as anthropic playbook.

anthropic playbook does include the false claim publicly made by its CEO that "in six months AI would be writing 90 percent of code". he made that claim 10 months ago. it is a criminal offence for intentionally misleading investors in many countries. MiniMax is like 100x more honest.

Does it come as misleading if you honestly believe what you're saying but are simply mistaken?

Re: MiniMax M2.1: Built for Real-World Complex Tasks, Multi-Language Programming

#56

Post by victorbjorklund »

monster_truck wrote: post #5

That they are still training models against Objective-C is all the proof you need that it will outlive Swift. When is someone going to vibe code Objective-C 3.0? Borrowing all of the actual good things that have happened since 2.0 is closer than you'd think thanks to LLVM and friends.

I’m sure you can find some COBOL code in many of the training sets. Not sure I would build my next startup using COBOL.

Re: MiniMax M2.1: Built for Real-World Complex Tasks, Multi-Language Programming

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Post by atombender »

esafak wrote: post #18

> It exhibits consistent and stable results in tools such as Claude Code, Droid (Factory AI), Cline, Kilo Code, Roo Code, and BlackBox, while providing reliable support for Context Management mechanisms including Skill.md, Claude.md/agent.md/cursorrule, and Slash Commands. One of the demos shows them using Claude Code, which is interesting. And the next sections are titled 'Digital Employee' and 'End-to-End Office Au…

Claude doesn't officially support using other, non-Anthropic models, right? So did they patch the code or fake the Claude API, or some other hack to get around that?

Re: MiniMax M2.1: Built for Real-World Complex Tasks, Multi-Language Programming

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Post by azuanrb »

mjburgess wrote: post #54
azuanrb wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I generally prefer Sonnet as comparison too. Opus, as good as it is, is just too expensive. The "best" model is the one I can use, not the one I can't afford. These days, by default I just use Sonnet/Haiku. In most cases it's more than good enough for me. It's plenty with $20 plan. With MiniMax, or GLM-4.7, some people like me are just looking for Sonnet level capability at much cheaper price.

Are you using GLM-4.7? I've just spent a fortune on Opus, and I heard GLM was close -- but after integrating it into cursor, it seems to spin forever, loose tool use, and generates partial? plans. I did look into using it with the claude cli tool, so it could be cursor specific -- but I havent had the best experience despite going for the pro plan with them. Any advise on how you're using GLM effectively? If at all A…

I’m on the Lite plan. For coding, I still prefer Claude because the models are simply better. I mainly use CLI tools like Claude Code and OpenCode.

I’m also managing a few projects and teams. One way I’m getting value from my GLM subscription is by building a daily GitHub PR summary bot using a GitHub Action. It’s good enough for me to keep up with the team and to monitor higher-risk PRs.

Right now I’m using GLM more as an agent/API rather than as a coding tool. Claude works best for agentic coding for me.

I’m on Claude $20 plan and I usually start with Haiku, then I switch to Sonnet or Opus for harder or longer tasks.

Re: MiniMax M2.1: Built for Real-World Complex Tasks, Multi-Language Programming

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Post by andai »

azuanrb wrote: post #51
kachapopopow wrote: post #40

I think people should stop comparing to sonnet, but to opus instead since it's so far ahead on producing code I would actually want to use (gemini 3 pro tends to be lacking in generalization and wants things to be using it's own style rather than adapting). Whatever benchmark opus is ahead in should be treated as a very important metric of proper generalization in models.

I generally prefer Sonnet as comparison too. Opus, as good as it is, is just too expensive. The "best" model is the one I can use, not the one I can't afford. These days, by default I just use Sonnet/Haiku. In most cases it's more than good enough for me. It's plenty with $20 plan. With MiniMax, or GLM-4.7, some people like me are just looking for Sonnet level capability at much cheaper price.

Opus is 3x cheaper now.

I think it's still not on the $20 plan tho which is sad.

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