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Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by slurrpurr »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #49
frankzander wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at leas…

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025. Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looki…

Really matches my experience. Sometime during covid they really moved off the rails

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by charcircuit »

izacus wrote: post #41
frankzander wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at leas…

I've been there like 2 decades ago and even then it was a deeply political event. There never a time where German hacker clubs, which are the lifeblood of this event, weren't very political - and very explicitly left wing political.

Even if it was equally or less political than before, it could still be too political for someone that would be worth including.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by DHolzer »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #45
deknos wrote: post #34

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again this myth. look at past fahrplans, there was always quite some political stuff. you just agreed with it and therefore it was not inconvenient.

So you did a comparative analysis of previous events and there's no indication that there's more politics?

The user had more arguments than just "it's all politics". What level of scrutiny does his statement have to hold up to? Because as far as I am concerned this is not here to find scientific truths.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by meibo »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #49
frankzander wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at leas…

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025. Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looki…

Culture changes. Hacker culture in Europe changed too, young people are moving up and taking positions in local organizations. You didn't change with it, and you're not open to accepting that change, so you are feeling out of place - that's simply how this works.

A lot of those people will feel welcomed and will be treated with respect that they don't usually get everywhere else. They decided to embrace that, it comes at a cost - like you feeling weirded out and not showing up - but they're probably fine with that being your problem to figure out.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by fredoliveira »

slurrpurr wrote: post #50
pinkgolem wrote: post #47

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The event that starts with "die Sprache der überwacher" That's non political?

Its regardlessly still computer-adjacent, not like the talk linked from 39c3 Ok let me rephrase then if you didn’t understand my point: Its getting too filled with politics that don’t have anything to do with computers

Can you point to some?

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by jasonvorhe »

DHolzer wrote: post #54
jasonvorhe wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you did a comparative analysis of previous events and there's no indication that there's more politics?

The user had more arguments than just "it's all politics". What level of scrutiny does his statement have to hold up to? Because as far as I am concerned this is not here to find scientific truths.

I don't know man. It's always the same debate: It's either "too much politics" or "no change at all" whenever this issue comes up and the "nothing changed" crowd keeps on reminding everyone that C3 "was always like that". I'm not requesting a scientific study but if you're this convinced that nothing changed despite may old school attendees chiming in to confirm the opposite, perhaps it would be helpful to compare old and new schedules.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by flohofwoe »

frankzander wrote: post #26

From year to year more politics and less interesting stuff.

Hacking and politics was always deeply intertwined in Germany/Europe. Especially the CCC has always been at least as much a political organization as it is a hacker community.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by izacus »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #49
frankzander wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at leas…

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025. Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looki…

Yeah, it's really not wierd that people thinking that using secure technologies, firewalls and privacy to defend against infections on their electronics would also strongly support using a firewall to defend themselves from disease in the physical space.

The fact that your opinion usually comes together with other incompatible political opinions of folks that's been running those spaces for decades doesn't help either.

They didn't change. You however became something they always despised.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by izacus »

slurrpurr wrote: post #36
pinkgolem wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this comment every year, and I am confused every time. There was no point in time where ccc or c3 was not an political event/organisation.

The comment is about how political it is, and that it's getting too much. For example this talk: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... Every year the needle gets moved more

I think you just became a righty and are only just now noticing that CCC folks always hated righties with passion.
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