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Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by llm_nerd »

throawayonthe wrote: post #50
llm_nerd wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do not read this comment. Wait...you're still reading, defying my T&Cs! The tag to not display on external websites is up to Bluesky to enforce. I mean, you understand those Bluesky chirps or whatever are literally being served by Bluesky, right?

it is being 'enforced' by the bsky embed, the post not shown is the quoted one: https://skyview.social/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbsky.app%2Fprofile...

Ah this makes much more sense. So instead of it being a label on the embedded item, it's noting the one that's missing.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by nkrisc »

kachapopopow wrote: post #38
nkrisc wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Please don’t show people my public post” is an absurd request to make. Why can the post even be embedded at all in this case? If Gizmodo was forced to screenshot it to circumvent that you might have a point.

just because something is public doesn't mean it should be shared with everyone, imagine you and your (ex: facebook group) have a nice spot near a public lake that you worked to clean up and even put a nice fireplace / furniture around it and then some tiktoker comes and says check out this amazing spot and now it's ruined. Yes it's public, anyone outside the group can find and see it, but it's clearly meant to be en…

It’s public or it’s not public.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by edgineer »

kachapopopow wrote: post #38
nkrisc wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Please don’t show people my public post” is an absurd request to make. Why can the post even be embedded at all in this case? If Gizmodo was forced to screenshot it to circumvent that you might have a point.

just because something is public doesn't mean it should be shared with everyone, imagine you and your (ex: facebook group) have a nice spot near a public lake that you worked to clean up and even put a nice fireplace / furniture around it and then some tiktoker comes and says check out this amazing spot and now it's ruined. Yes it's public, anyone outside the group can find and see it, but it's clearly meant to be en…

These things happened, are notable, and even (or especially) embarrassing things should be remembered for history.

A compromise would be to have screenshotted and crossed out names.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by mft_ »

kachapopopow wrote: post #38
nkrisc wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Please don’t show people my public post” is an absurd request to make. Why can the post even be embedded at all in this case? If Gizmodo was forced to screenshot it to circumvent that you might have a point.

just because something is public doesn't mean it should be shared with everyone, imagine you and your (ex: facebook group) have a nice spot near a public lake that you worked to clean up and even put a nice fireplace / furniture around it and then some tiktoker comes and says check out this amazing spot and now it's ruined. Yes it's public, anyone outside the group can find and see it, but it's clearly meant to be en…

Nah, I think the point is that if you do something deliberately in public, be it social media or something tangible in the real world, you relinquish control over its usage.

If you don’t like this, then you can either try to restrict things to an extent e.g. by obscurity, like posting a YouTube video as unlisted, or building your fireplace somewhere public but remote or hidden, or you keep things enforceably private, like a private online group, or building on someone’s land.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

kachapopopow wrote: post #38
nkrisc wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Please don’t show people my public post” is an absurd request to make. Why can the post even be embedded at all in this case? If Gizmodo was forced to screenshot it to circumvent that you might have a point.

just because something is public doesn't mean it should be shared with everyone, imagine you and your (ex: facebook group) have a nice spot near a public lake that you worked to clean up and even put a nice fireplace / furniture around it and then some tiktoker comes and says check out this amazing spot and now it's ruined. Yes it's public, anyone outside the group can find and see it, but it's clearly meant to be en…

If I host an event at a public park and hang up a sign "no journalists allowed, no telling anyone about this event, it's our little secret" I don't think it's reasonable to expect that to be honored. I wouldn't be offended to see that reported in the local paper. Quite the opposite.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by staticman2 »

kachapopopow wrote: post #38
nkrisc wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Please don’t show people my public post” is an absurd request to make. Why can the post even be embedded at all in this case? If Gizmodo was forced to screenshot it to circumvent that you might have a point.

just because something is public doesn't mean it should be shared with everyone, imagine you and your (ex: facebook group) have a nice spot near a public lake that you worked to clean up and even put a nice fireplace / furniture around it and then some tiktoker comes and says check out this amazing spot and now it's ruined. Yes it's public, anyone outside the group can find and see it, but it's clearly meant to be en…

When you switch the topic to some analogy about a spot in meat space by some lake it derails the conversation as to whether your analogy is on point rather than the conversation topic.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by piva00 »

kachapopopow wrote: post #38
nkrisc wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Please don’t show people my public post” is an absurd request to make. Why can the post even be embedded at all in this case? If Gizmodo was forced to screenshot it to circumvent that you might have a point.

just because something is public doesn't mean it should be shared with everyone, imagine you and your (ex: facebook group) have a nice spot near a public lake that you worked to clean up and even put a nice fireplace / furniture around it and then some tiktoker comes and says check out this amazing spot and now it's ruined. Yes it's public, anyone outside the group can find and see it, but it's clearly meant to be en…

> imagine you and your (ex: facebook group) have a nice spot near a public lake that you worked to clean up and even put a nice fireplace / furniture around it and then some tiktoker comes and says check out this amazing spot and now it's ruined.

This happens all the time though, and it's expected it might happen when you do it.

I live nearby a couple of lakes within a nice little forest, me and some friends found a spot a couple of summers ago a bit out from the trails which we improved to have a fire pit, some log benches, built a mobile sauna, and left notes that its intended to be used publicly. We knew that at some point it'd be found, and potentially ruined. It kinda happened, someone broke the sauna, we didn't feel we were owed anything since we decided to make it public, we knew the dangers.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by squigz »

wccrawford wrote: post #40
k310 wrote: post #6

I visited the local library (California foothills) during a “book sale”, and what didn’t sell was left out in boxes, either for cheap or free. What didn’t move was destined for the landfill. I was aghast, but without enough room to take in the strays. Real estate is unforgiving. I am in favor of “little free libraries” [0] where books circulate freely, and if they aren’t returned, hopefully are read and not destroyed…

My wife runs one locally. She's pretty happy with it, but I have to bite my tongue when talking about it with her. People frequently take all the good books, all at once, and don't return them. Someone just emptied out half of it yesterday, and I don't even think they were picky. They just took a whole shelf of books. It's such a crappy thing to do, and there's nothing that can be done to stop the bad actors.

I hate to be cynical, but that's always been my first thought with those too, and that just sucks...

I really like devilbunny's idea of a cute little stamp though! It probably wouldn't stop very determined people, but would probably deter a lot.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by lapcat »

wccrawford wrote: post #41

The "magic" of why AI is trusted over humans is that so many humans are terrible at their jobs that people default to not trusting someone who is telling them something they don't want to hear. The AI always tells them what they want to hear, and so they trust it. It's not magic.

> so many humans are terrible at their jobs

Is there any empirical evidence that librarians are terrible at their jobs?

The reason is not the supposed fallibility of humans but rather the supposed infallibility of technology. Nontechnical people don't know how the technology works, don't know how the sausage is made, and they mistakenly assume it can't go wrong, just like a calculator can't go wrong.

Also, people are not good at revising their beliefs. A lot depends on what they hear first, and they usually hear from the internet before they hear from an expert, because it's easier and faster to consult the former. It's embarrassing to admit to yourself that you were suckered into believing something false, so the emotional coping mechanism is to get angry at the person who contradicts your beliefs, which preserves your self-respect.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by b112 »

tgv wrote: post #27
k310 wrote: post #6

I visited the local library (California foothills) during a “book sale”, and what didn’t sell was left out in boxes, either for cheap or free. What didn’t move was destined for the landfill. I was aghast, but without enough room to take in the strays. Real estate is unforgiving. I am in favor of “little free libraries” [0] where books circulate freely, and if they aren’t returned, hopefully are read and not destroyed…

These free book shelves are no substitute for a real library, are they? In my experience, the offering is really limited. It's nice for a random find, but that's all. It's tough that books get burned, but if nobody wants to read them, there's no alternative.

Everyone had loads of books at home 50 years ago. Now far, far fewer homes have books.

They don't all have a home anymore.

Sad, but that's where we're at. It's not book burning in the traditional meaning, wven if that's what is happening.

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