How did FSD Teslas do at the traffic signals? Or Nuro?
Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing traffic jams
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Except in NL you guys actually have someone sit and think about the flow of traffic, in most other countries the design is usually pretty much random. In my parents' city in Poland they decided to turn off the traffic lights at night and the result is much higher number of accidents. Funnily, my father failed to yield the right of way exactly when talking about the issue. Yes, theoretically all intersections do have…
> Same setup in the Netherlands, there are right of way signs everywhere that apply when the lights don't work. Most places in Poland have this exact setup. And I say most because I have not seen one that does not, but I am guessing they exist. Maybe some of them have bad visibility even? If one does not respect the yield sign that does not seem a signaling problem.
Some don't in Finland. But then it is back to basic rule of yielding to traffic from right. Which is pretty common on smaller roads so drivers should think about it enough.
Re: Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing traffic jams
#53I thought LIDAR solves for this lol
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everyone should have understood that driving requires improvisation in the face of uncommon but inevitable bespoke challenges that this generation of AI is not suited for. Either because it's common sense or because so many people have been shouting it for so long.
But a citywide blackout isn’t that uncommon.
I think that statement is regional. I’ve never seen one.
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#55I'm surprised that either: 1. Nobody at Waymo thought of this, 2. Somebody did think of it but it wasn't considered important enough to prioritize, or 3. They tried to prep the cars for this and yet they nonetheless failed so badly
Clearly cars can navigate themselves, it's the lack of remote ops that halted everything
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>in many parts of the world where there are no traffic lights or stop signs, people get on just fine Well, sort of. Road injuries / fatalities in countries without these kinds of regulations are about an 3-4x higher than in those that do have them. https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789241565684
Number of traffic accidents went down by 50% in this town. https://worksthatwork.com/1/shared-space
I think a significant factor helping that to work is the mixing of all traffic on the street. I've noticed that in LA's Skid Row, where homeless people are constantly moving into the street on foot or on bicycle and they walk around in vehicle lanes pushing shopping cart armadas and so on, drivers are more cautious than usual and I see, if anything, less reckless driving and close calls there than in other parts of downtown, where pedestrians stick to the sidewalk and distracted or car-brained drivers don't look out for them. Just anecdotal observation, of course.
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> miss the time when "confused" for a computer program was meant in a humorous way Not sure what about this isn’t funny. Nobody died. And the notion that traffic lights going down would not have otherwise caused congestion seems silly.
Not directly. But what about the emergency services not being able to reach their destinations? It stops being funny really fast
> what about the emergency services not being able to reach their destinations?
Did they have documented problems?
This is akin to the Waymos honking at each other at 3AM. Annoying. Potentially dangerous in various circumstances. But ultimately just destructive in a way unlikely to repeat.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
>in many parts of the world where there are no traffic lights or stop signs, people get on just fine Well, sort of. Road injuries / fatalities in countries without these kinds of regulations are about an 3-4x higher than in those that do have them. https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789241565684
Number of traffic accidents went down by 50% in this town. https://worksthatwork.com/1/shared-space
Different things. A country with lax rules is not the same as a specific environment with shared spaces, where according to known data it's safer to eliminate some specific kind of regulation and let the remaining part take over.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Number of traffic accidents went down by 50% in this town. https://worksthatwork.com/1/shared-space
Different things. A country with lax rules is not the same as a specific environment with shared spaces, where according to known data it's safer to eliminate some specific kind of regulation and let the remaining part take over.
It’s not lax rules, in many cases it’s just alternative coordination — eg roundabouts
Re: Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing traffic jams
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everyone should have understood that driving requires improvisation in the face of uncommon but inevitable bespoke challenges that this generation of AI is not suited for. Either because it's common sense or because so many people have been shouting it for so long.
I'd say driving only requires not to handle uncommon situation dangerously. And stopping when you can't handle something fits my criteria. Also I'm not sure it's entirely AI's fault. What do you do when you realistically have to break some rules? Like here, I assume you'd have to cut someone off if you don't want to wait forever. Who's gonna build a car that breaks rules sometimes, and what regulator will approve it?
If you are driving a car on a public street and your solution to getting confused is stopping your car in the middle of the road wherever this confusion happens to arise, and sitting there for however long you are confused, you should not be driving a car in the first place. That includes AI cars.