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The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by batiudrami »

Bridged7756 wrote: post #43
sombragris wrote: post #33

I doubt that this would ever happen. But... If it does, I think it would be a good thing. The reason is that it would finally motivate game developers to be more realistic in their minimum hardware requirements, enabling games to be playable on onboard GPUs. Right now, most recent games (for example, many games built on Unreal Engine 5) are unplayable on onboard GPUs. Game and engine devs simply don't bother anymore…

True. Optimization is completely dead. Long gone are the days of a game being amazing because the devs managed to pull crazy graphics for the current hardware. Nowadays a game is only poorly optimized if it's literally unplayable or laggy, and you're forced to constantly upgrade your hardware with no discernible performance gain otherwise.

Crazy take, in the late 90s/early 00s your GPU could be obsolete 9 months after buying. The “optimisation” you talk about was the CPU in the ps4 generation was so weak and tech was moving so fast that any pc bought in 2015 onwards would easily brute force overpower anything that had been built for that generation.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by jonway »

deaux wrote: post #36
jonway wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't sem very plausible, how many people are driven away from CounterStrike or like League of Legends because the graphics weren't as good as Cyberpunk or whatever? Theres a LOT of games that compete with AAA-massive-budget games on aggregate like Dwarf Fortress, CS, League, Fortnite, people are still playing arma 2, dayz, rust, etc Rainbow Six: Siege still has adherents and even cash-payout tournaments. EvE:…

I wonder if all the games you named combined surpass what Mihoyo makes off the likes of Genshin Impact.

Dunno (maybe wow?) but is it the most expensive graphics hardware giving AAA all the money/air or because they have a great reputation as games, solid consistent advertising, a strong network effect and a spot on the top of new release lists?

I feel like league of legends has, wrt the genshin $s, I honestly haven’t checked!

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by pjmlp »

newsclues wrote: post #39
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a question of want. Gaming will exist in some form so I am simply uncertain what you are concerned about. Can you elaborate a little? What, exactly, is your concern here? That you won't have nvidia as a choice? That AMD will be the only game in town? That gpu market will move from duopoly ( for gaming specifically ) to monopoly? I have little to go on, but I don't really want to put words in your mouth base…

I want a local gaming machine that I control. Not a locked ecosystem console or a streaming service with lag! I think if nvidia leaves the market for AI, why wouldn’t AMD and intel, with the memory cartel. So DIY market is gone. That kills lots of companies and creators that rely on the gaming market. It’s a doom spiral for a lot of the industry. If gaming is just PlayStation and switch and iGPUs there is a lot less…

There was no DIY market on 8 and 16 bit home computers with fixed hardware, yet bedroom coding (aka indies) not only did thrive, they were the genesis of many AAA publishers, and to this day those restrictions keep the Demoscene alive and recognised as World culture heritage.

PC was largely ignored for gaming, until finally EGA/VGA card, alongside AdLib/Soundblaster, became widespread in enough households to warrant development costs.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by pjmlp »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #50
shmeeed wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that due to some kind of issue with the architecture, or just a matter of software support? In the latter case, I'd expect patches for AMD or Intel to become a priority pretty quickly. After all, they need their products to run on systems that customers can buy.

Well, they don't support CUDA and I don't see CUDA coming to AMD any time soon. Intel is just plain not capable of it because it's not really a GPU, more a framebuffer with a clever blitter.

Great opportunity to adopt Khronos APIs.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by pjmlp »

coldtea wrote: post #15

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Really, I have been gaming before even getting my Timex 2068 in the mid 80's, starting with Game & Watch handhelds, and I don't get "build your aquarium" culture of many PC gamers nowadays.

It is so bad that is almost impossible to buy a traditional desktop on regular computer stores, there are only fish tanks with rainbows on sale.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#56

Post by coldtea »

tavavex wrote: post #44
coldtea wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the same reason I don't like alcoholism or meth use or gambling or porn addiction, even when the person "enjoys them".

That's one hell of a long shot. Are your views applicable to the rest of the entertainment industry? There's plenty of people wasting away in front on Netflix, after all. Or why just entertainment, any "useless" hobbies that are repeatedly done for fun but have no real productive output. Is any comparable "pleasurable" activity that also hooks a minority of people in an unhealthy way bad, or just gaming? But what's m…

>That's one hell of a long shot. Are your views applicable to the rest of the entertainment industry?

Yes.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by ronsor »

batiudrami wrote: post #51
Bridged7756 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. Optimization is completely dead. Long gone are the days of a game being amazing because the devs managed to pull crazy graphics for the current hardware. Nowadays a game is only poorly optimized if it's literally unplayable or laggy, and you're forced to constantly upgrade your hardware with no discernible performance gain otherwise.

Crazy take, in the late 90s/early 00s your GPU could be obsolete 9 months after buying. The “optimisation” you talk about was the CPU in the ps4 generation was so weak and tech was moving so fast that any pc bought in 2015 onwards would easily brute force overpower anything that had been built for that generation.

> Crazy take, in the late 90s/early 00s your GPU could be obsolete 9 months after buying.

Not because the developers were lazy, but because newer GPUs were that much better.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#58

Post by Apocryphon »

deaux wrote: post #36
jonway wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't sem very plausible, how many people are driven away from CounterStrike or like League of Legends because the graphics weren't as good as Cyberpunk or whatever? Theres a LOT of games that compete with AAA-massive-budget games on aggregate like Dwarf Fortress, CS, League, Fortnite, people are still playing arma 2, dayz, rust, etc Rainbow Six: Siege still has adherents and even cash-payout tournaments. EvE:…

I wonder if all the games you named combined surpass what Mihoyo makes off the likes of Genshin Impact.

Do gacha mobile games even require high-end graphics? Genshin Impact doesn't support native ray tracing.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#59

Post by Apocryphon »

newsclues wrote: post #39
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a question of want. Gaming will exist in some form so I am simply uncertain what you are concerned about. Can you elaborate a little? What, exactly, is your concern here? That you won't have nvidia as a choice? That AMD will be the only game in town? That gpu market will move from duopoly ( for gaming specifically ) to monopoly? I have little to go on, but I don't really want to put words in your mouth base…

I want a local gaming machine that I control. Not a locked ecosystem console or a streaming service with lag! I think if nvidia leaves the market for AI, why wouldn’t AMD and intel, with the memory cartel. So DIY market is gone. That kills lots of companies and creators that rely on the gaming market. It’s a doom spiral for a lot of the industry. If gaming is just PlayStation and switch and iGPUs there is a lot less…

Who cares about "innovation in pushing graphics"? It's arguable that video game graphics reached 'good enough' a couple of console generations ago. Maybe as early as seventh gen.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by ivanjermakov »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #50
shmeeed wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that due to some kind of issue with the architecture, or just a matter of software support? In the latter case, I'd expect patches for AMD or Intel to become a priority pretty quickly. After all, they need their products to run on systems that customers can buy.

Well, they don't support CUDA and I don't see CUDA coming to AMD any time soon. Intel is just plain not capable of it because it's not really a GPU, more a framebuffer with a clever blitter.

Isn't OpenCL is a widely supported compute platform alternative to CUDA? Not sure if it's fair comparison.
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