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Is Firefox Firefucked?

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Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

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post #45

Firefox is really in a sad state. The politics, ideology is getting worse and the tech is still bad. Kind of crazy that they waste everyones battery and cpu https://b.43z.one/2025-02-12/ Am I the one who is crazy and nitpicking here?

Firefox works fine. It's my daily browser on a fairly old Macbook. No issues whatsoever, other than some websites that weren't tested on it.

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

#53

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What does that mean exactly?

Google paid Mozilla a pretty penny to make Google the default search engine [1] [1] https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/12/mozilla_doj_google_se...

I'm aware. How is that a move against the Firefox userbase? It seems fairly neutral. If you don't like the default engine, change it. I set mine to Duckduckgo.

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

#54

You let them oust Brendan Eich. I have no sympathy whatsoever because you let the charlatans into the project and now you’re complaining. Nobody stood up for Brendan. Nobody is going to stand up for you.

Brendan Eich was garbage, though, and on top of that he made Brave which is basically a joke, so not exactly missing him.

In what way is Brave a joke? I ask because it's what I look at whenever I think about finally dropping Firefox

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

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post #17
post #2

Firefox's main problem is Firefox users. Seriously, there's nothing but griping about it but it's pretty much the only browser holding back the rendering engine monopoly (intentionally excluding WebKit).

It's incredible the whining about AI when you can simply turn it off. The speed comparisons make no sense either. Chrome is slightly faster so you should give up your ability to block all ads and let Google abuse you in myriad ways while supporting a virtual monopoly? FFS. Firefox is simply a better browser, hands down. It's a better design and more user friendly than Chrome. I only regret being on Chrome for so long…

You can turn ever single one of their complaints off. It's ridiculous whining that doesn't get to the core of the problem: No one is out spreading Firefox like they used to be, it just can't compete with platform owners on that front.

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

#56
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay... are you saying there are no problems with Firefox? And if not, are how do you propose that users get these problems fixed without talking about them?

It's the vitriol, not the criticism.

This feels to me like the scenes from the movie Don't Look Up where anyone actually pointing out what's happening gets told to calm down and be less aggressive.

If people saying what's wrong plainly and clearly is "vitriol" to you, then you have a problem with criticism.

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

#57

You let them oust Brendan Eich. I have no sympathy whatsoever because you let the charlatans into the project and now you’re complaining. Nobody stood up for Brendan. Nobody is going to stand up for you.

I have to wonder, who are you talking to?

It's a bit of a generic complaint, but quite apt for the subject matter. Mission creep kills projects, and that's true across a broad range of activities.

More specifically in the case of software, egos kill projects, and expanding the scope of your project to include broader economic or social causes usually does the same.

This is correlated to a huge change in nerd culture - pseudonymity was much more common and encouraged, with people's real-life identities or views not really taken into account. ("on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog")

Social media happened, and now most people use their real-world identities and carry their real-life worldview into the internet.

This had a huge negative effect on internet toxicity and interpersonal trust, and Eich is a good example of that - auxiliary things being dredged up about someone, used as a cudgel against them for their real or perceived transgressions.

The end result is that effective project management has become a rare breed and we see all these colossal failures like Firefox...

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

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Firefox's main problem is Firefox users. Seriously, there's nothing but griping about it but it's pretty much the only browser holding back the rendering engine monopoly (intentionally excluding WebKit).

If anything, it's the powerusers that disable Firefox's telemetry so that they don't know how the power users use Firefox. (Guiltily raises hand. Although lately I've noticed a ping option, so I left that enabled.)

I disable everything that is of no direct benefit to me. It's shocking that so many companies don't make the case for the benefits of their systems at the on / off decision point. If you can't outline a positive benefit to the end user what does that say about your product?

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

#60
post #22

I'm concerned, and I am glad people keep writing about this. But the final bit in this post is really where I'm at: I have no idea where to go from here. Currently on mobile I use Orion--it's the only mobile browser I've found where setting up AdBlocking is reasonably easy. Maybe I'll try it on Desktop. But this doesn't really address the issue of there being only one rendering engine out there because it uses WebKit…

are you on android or iOS?

I'm on iOS.
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