Can't they bring people like Tristan Nitot back? :(
Mozilla's New CEO Confirms Firefox Will Become an "AI Browser"
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Re: Mozilla's New CEO Confirms Firefox Will Become an "AI Browser"
#52Ideally, you don't need a "turn off" button. If you find the need to add a Disable button, the feature you're adding maybe already too on-the-nose. How about if I need an AI to read the page, I could just right-click and select? It's the same way how the screenshot feature currently works. (Wait, I just right-clicked and discovered there's a AI item on the menu. Maybe it's already how it works? If so, then it's not v…
The thing is, market share reports don't show evidence that Mozilla is doing really important work. From reading the comments here, firefox's literal reason for existing is ad blocking and "not chrome". Compatibility with websites is on the decline, websites breaking on firefox are on the increase. Rust is one of the few positives that I can see yet Mozilla has transferred trademarks and "infrastructure assets" to a new rust foundation of some sort that seems to mean that they're now independent of Mozilla.
The internet market makers think that ad blocking is antisocial, so in fact mozilla's firefox only reason for being is that its not the internets favorite browser which is a hell of a mission statement to offer, but thats as generous an assessment as I can make with those fellows, hell I still use firefox out of habit but I always keep a chrome install for the times firefox just doesn't work, but even then I'm just lazy and even when running firefox I've never installed an ad blocker which seems to increasingly be firefox's reason for existence.
Re: Mozilla's New CEO Confirms Firefox Will Become an "AI Browser"
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> I’m not sure he knows the type of person that actually uses Firefox I'm sure he does, but he is trying to get different users. The problem Firefox has is that it has accumulated "problem" users who are only there because they've left everywhere else. In other words, people didn't choose Firefox cause its better, they chose it because it "wasn't x". They were offended by some action of their last browser, and left.…
I think you're wrong and people choose Firefox because they believe it's better.
You're both arguing the same thing.
It's not X is the same as it's better than X. Just because someone chooses something because it isn't the other thing isn't saying both suck.
Re: Mozilla's New CEO Confirms Firefox Will Become an "AI Browser"
#54It bothers me that it's not even a "AI web browser", but an "AI browser". I don't want to browse "AI", I want access to the web.
Re: Mozilla's New CEO Confirms Firefox Will Become an "AI Browser"
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is the Ladybird browser project: https://ladybird.org/ I guess they will get a lot of interest after this new round of Mozilla bullshit.
Yeah Ladybird is interesting, and might become the answer to my question at some point in the future. Unfortunately, it's not a good-enough answer today.
Can we make it good-enough? And not by adding features to it but by making websites that don't need them? I'd rather browse the kind of web that browsers like Dillo and Ladybird can browse.
Re: Mozilla's New CEO Confirms Firefox Will Become an "AI Browser"
#56I've been on Firefox for decades and I'm 100% ready to jump ship. Tried Zen today and it didn't feel right—felt too much like it wanted to be Arc but ended up a bit frankenstein-y in the process. Open to suggestions that aren't Arc or Brave, if anyone has them!
Do you mind catching me up on what happened to Arc? It was a HN darling IIRC and now I get very "we don't talk about it anymore" vibes.
Re: Mozilla's New CEO Confirms Firefox Will Become an "AI Browser"
#57I’m not sure he knows the type of person that actually uses Firefox. > Enzor-DeMeo says it is important that AI features in Firefox are “something people can easily turn off”. It seems like it should be opt-in instead of opt-out. At the very least, ask up front, and have a single switch to make it like it’s not there at all.
>> I’m not sure he knows the type of person that actually uses Firefox I'm sure he does, but he is trying to get different users. The problem Firefox has is that it has accumulated "problem" users who are only there because they've left everywhere else. In other words, people didn't choose Firefox cause its better, they chose it because it "wasn't x". They were offended by some action of their last browser, and left.…
They didn't accumulate "problem" users, they drove off everyone else.
Throwing their fans under the bus to try and get new users has been Mozilla's tactic for the last 15 years. Which is why they're down to 2% market share.
Doing it harder isn't going to help them.
Re: Mozilla's New CEO Confirms Firefox Will Become an "AI Browser"
#58I've been on Firefox for decades and I'm 100% ready to jump ship. Tried Zen today and it didn't feel right—felt too much like it wanted to be Arc but ended up a bit frankenstein-y in the process. Open to suggestions that aren't Arc or Brave, if anyone has them!
Do you mind catching me up on what happened to Arc? It was a HN darling IIRC and now I get very "we don't talk about it anymore" vibes.
Re: Mozilla's New CEO Confirms Firefox Will Become an "AI Browser"
#59I've been on Firefox for decades and I'm 100% ready to jump ship. Tried Zen today and it didn't feel right—felt too much like it wanted to be Arc but ended up a bit frankenstein-y in the process. Open to suggestions that aren't Arc or Brave, if anyone has them!
What platform are you on? I use Ungoogled Chromium on desktop (uBlock Origin still works if you install it from GitHub) and Cromite on mobile (some AdBlock built-in), mainly because both of these just give you a clean and compatible browser without any frills. I noped out of Firefox back whenever it was that they started prompting me to make an account to sync every time I opened it, but I still use LibreWolf at work…
I'm on macOS.
I'm kinda strictly against Chromium because I first installed Chrome to break up a browser monopoly that threatened the long term future of the web. I uninstalled it once it flipped from "the browser that's making the web better" to "the browser that's making the company Google better at the expense of the web"
It's not really a political stance, but a pragmatic one. I appreciate that makes it hard to find alternatives, but I can't logically justify using Chrome.
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#60CEO's job has become easy. Just slap AI in the product and profit millions in bonus.
For a few quarters until it kills the product. A golden parashute I guess ?
As always, incentives must be intelligently made.
I worked for a branch where the manager's bonus was tied to gross sales. So what did he do? Prioritize a product line that sold well, with low (actually negative!) profit margins.
He didn't sail blindly into icebergs; he targeted them like our factory was his personal pinball.
In this case, CEO compensation should have carefully nuanced incentives, not simply quarterly increments in stock price.