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UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Is there actually a massive problem that they are trying to solve with this?

People are saying mean things on Twitter, or even disagreeing with government-approved opinions! They're making 12000 speech arrests per year, but there's still far too many slipping through the cracks.

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

#52

It's so organic and grass roots and good for democracy™ that every single Western country suddenly decided that eliminating privacy online in lockstep was the top priority despite none of the ruling parties running on it as a platform or with any meaningful referendums from the voting public. But to what end?

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Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

#53

This is one of dozens of amendments proposed by members, so it's more accurate to say "three members of the House of Lords attempting to ban the use of VPNs".

I'm not from the UK but I thought the house of lords is largely a vestigial legislative body and has no serious power. Am I wrong there?

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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It's also worth stating that the worst part of that proposed amendment [1] isn't even necessarily the VPN ban, it's the next clause, on page 20:

"The “CSAM requirement” is that any relevant device supplied for use in the UK must have installed tamper-proof system software which is highly effective at preventing the recording, transmitting (by any means, including livestreaming) and viewing of CSAM using that device."

"Regulations under subsection (1) must enable the Secretary of State, by further regulations, to expand the definition of ‘relevant devices’ to include other categories of device which may be used to record, transmit or view CSAM"

Apple, what did you start?

[1] https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/63901/documents/746...

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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post #36

On a related note, they built their digital ID so that third parties could verify attributes (it's NOT just a single-service login across government + a linking ID across government services, which is how it was sold by the BBC). They're pretty close to completely de-anonymising the internet for UK citizens. Say they introduce an Australian-style social media ban for under 16s, then requires all social media to link…

> Keep in mind the UK already arrests and imprisons vast numbers of people for speech offences.

Vast? No, they really don't.

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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post #36

On a related note, they built their digital ID so that third parties could verify attributes (it's NOT just a single-service login across government + a linking ID across government services, which is how it was sold by the BBC). They're pretty close to completely de-anonymising the internet for UK citizens. Say they introduce an Australian-style social media ban for under 16s, then requires all social media to link…

> Keep in mind the UK already arrests and imprisons vast numbers of people for speech offences I think you’ve been spending too much time on Twitter

I wouldn’t dismiss this so easily, the Palestine Action stuff is pretty appalling.

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

#58

Isn't everyone under the age of 16 using a VPN doing so through their parent's billing?

Only for VPNs whose payment methods verify that you're -ge 16

Can't seem to link the section but down this page are some options that don't require that: https://mullvad.net/en/pricing

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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post #36

On a related note, they built their digital ID so that third parties could verify attributes (it's NOT just a single-service login across government + a linking ID across government services, which is how it was sold by the BBC). They're pretty close to completely de-anonymising the internet for UK citizens. Say they introduce an Australian-style social media ban for under 16s, then requires all social media to link…

> Keep in mind the UK already arrests and imprisons vast numbers of people for speech offences I think you’ve been spending too much time on Twitter

> While figures show that the total number of arrests for online posts fell to 9,700 last year, down from a record 13,800 in 2023...

https://freespeechunion.org/daily-mail-investigation-exposes...

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