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EFF launches Age Verification Hub

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Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

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Post by taeric »

rlpb wrote: post #11

I'd be OK with an "I am a child" header mandated by law to be respected by service providers (eg. "adult sites" must not permit a client setting the header to proceed). On the client side, mandate that consumer devices that might reasonably be expected to be used by children (every smartphone, tablet, smart TV, etc) have parental controls that set the header. Leave it to parents to set the controls. Perhaps even hold…

My only gripe here is the idea of "perhaps hold the parents culpable." I'm not opposed to the idea, but what sucks is we are ultimately all paying the cost of it going wrong. The idea that we can shunt that away to a few irresponsible people is just demonstrably not the case.

Worse, it leads to situations where society seems to want to flat out be kid free in many ways. With families reportedly afraid to let their kids walk to and from school unsupervised.

I don't know an answer, mind. So this is where I have a gripe with no real answer. :(

Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

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Post by taeric »

I would be happy if we just moved to a way we could more realistically enable audits of information flow in our lives. I don't, necessarily, want to restrict my kids consumptions. It does worry me that I don't know how to teach them to audit all of the information that is being exposed to them. Or worse, collected about them.

Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

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Post by cwmoore »

rich_sasha wrote: post #49

I understand this is a technology forum, frequented mostly by liberal adults, who built a lot of their internet nous on totally free internet of 90s and 00s. I am one of them. Equally, I think insisting that there must be no controls to internet access whatsoever is not right either. There is now plenty of evidence that eg. social media are very harmful to teenagers - and frankly, before I noticed, going on FB got me…

That’s not the moan friend.

Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

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Post by burnt-resistor »

bobajeff wrote: post #8

I wonder what the psychological effect of having little or no privacy would do to people. Are we all going to be paranoid schizophrenics? How would a world of paranoid schizophrenics work? How insane are world events going to be from that point on?

China is an example of this. Somewhere that, according to the UN's data, executed "undesirable" people with such gusto that it incidentally decreased the organ donor waitlist time so low that it couldn't be explained by any other factor.

"Perfect" security is only attainable with zero dissent, zero individuality, zero privacy, and zero freedom.

Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

#58

Post by awesome_dude »

taeric wrote: post #51
rlpb wrote: post #11

I'd be OK with an "I am a child" header mandated by law to be respected by service providers (eg. "adult sites" must not permit a client setting the header to proceed). On the client side, mandate that consumer devices that might reasonably be expected to be used by children (every smartphone, tablet, smart TV, etc) have parental controls that set the header. Leave it to parents to set the controls. Perhaps even hold…

My only gripe here is the idea of "perhaps hold the parents culpable." I'm not opposed to the idea, but what sucks is we are ultimately all paying the cost of it going wrong. The idea that we can shunt that away to a few irresponsible people is just demonstrably not the case. Worse, it leads to situations where society seems to want to flat out be kid free in many ways. With families reportedly afraid to let their ki…

Add to that, clearly those "bad parents" are the result of bad parenting in the first place, so really it's the grand parents that are to blame...

Wait, those grand parents also had bad models to work with, so really it's the great grandparents that were to blame...

No, wait, it was the society that they grew up in that encouraged poor behaviour toward them, and forced them to react by taking on toxic behaviours. We all should pay because we all actively contribute to the world around us, and that includes being silent when we see bad things happening.

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