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Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by andness »

domano wrote: post #12

Last week i cancelled my Jetbrains sub after a decade of daily driving it. I just cant take the performance issues anymore. Across 5 different machines all kinds of actions would just take ages and it got worse every year. Moving to Apple Silicon made it bearable for a few months but somehow Jetbrains manages to get slow even on a M3 Max with 36GB RAM. Ive been fiddling with configs for years, i tried everything sinc…

Same. I gave up on Jetbrains and switched to VSCode a few months back after using Jetbrains for over 20 years. Over the years I've done Java, C# and lately mostly Python, and it was PyCharm that made me finally throw in the towel. I felt bad about it. I'm worried that VSCode seems to be taking over everything, but I just couldn't let the tool get in my way anymore. I don't know what's going on at Jetbrains but I hope they can turn it around.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by rado »

Fleet was snappy and looked great. What was the font? The fact that the crème de la creme, peak of civilization, agentic coding, is now running on top of the worst technology in the world, Electron, is infinitely sad.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by jrozner »

Fleet was a terrible product. I’m a long time jetbrains user and still use goland, rust rover, and clion. I was really excited when it got announced because I had had a lot of issues with vs code, extensions, and lsp at the time. I was hoping jetbrains was going to build something competitive but it never materialized. Rather than building something lightweight and fast on a native ui toolkit with faster analysis engines they basically built on top of a lot of the tech that was the bad parts of their existing IDEs. important features and the ability for community extensions to fill them never came to fleet which meant it never could replace other tools for real work and jetbrains seemed to focus on building LLM features to capture the hype rather than fixing the issues people have with their existing products. Instead they have mediocre ai features that are essentially commoditized and IDEs that are under invested in that are sluggish. In terms of full batteries included IDEs they’re still probably the best, but they’re losing a lot of the market.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by pxc »

znpy wrote: post #33
domano wrote: post #12

Last week i cancelled my Jetbrains sub after a decade of daily driving it. I just cant take the performance issues anymore. Across 5 different machines all kinds of actions would just take ages and it got worse every year. Moving to Apple Silicon made it bearable for a few months but somehow Jetbrains manages to get slow even on a M3 Max with 36GB RAM. Ive been fiddling with configs for years, i tried everything sinc…

I know what I'm about to write is a meme, however: I stopped having any performance issue after switching to GNU Emacs for my code editing. Granted, as an infrastructure guy I the codebases I work with aren't always super large. However, it's been crazy fast since always. Lately the lisp engine also got compilation to native code, so it's even faster. I occasionally get a slow down when I open a new project and emacs…

If you're accustomed to vi modes, Doom Emacs is very approachable. LLMs are also surprisingly good with Emacs Lisp, and the official docs and discoverability of Emacs are excellent, so it's pretty easy to get oriented and achieve the configurations you want even if you're not particularly a Lisp fan.

Whatever starter kit you choose, I recommend giving one a go. The experience is really good these days.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by exceptione »

For Jetbrains: if LLM's are such a terrific productivity booster, why don't you put it to work to speed through all your open tickets and get the product in top shape? In the time you saved you can build agentic whatevers.

Or LLM's aren't really that great after all? Then focus on your damn IDE. Leave refactoring by hallucination to the electron kids and just provide stable and performant editors and analyses around Abstract Syntax Trees.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by spicyusername »

I have been paying for JetBrains for years, but, as many have pointed out in this thread, between the performance issues and agentic IDEs like Cursor, it's getting harder and harder to justify.

JetBrains, just focus on improving the existing IDEs and naturally embedding access to third party LLM agents in them and you're good to go.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by jval43 »

spicyusername wrote: post #56

I have been paying for JetBrains for years, but, as many have pointed out in this thread, between the performance issues and agentic IDEs like Cursor, it's getting harder and harder to justify. JetBrains, just focus on improving the existing IDEs and naturally embedding access to third party LLM agents in them and you're good to go.

It's crazy that I'm paying for IntellJ yet can't hook up my own LLM to it. Jetbrains wants to be some middleman instead of letting me use my tools. I won't and I can't use your hosted LLMs, period.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by [deleted] »

another_twist wrote: post #43
domano wrote: post #12

Last week i cancelled my Jetbrains sub after a decade of daily driving it. I just cant take the performance issues anymore. Across 5 different machines all kinds of actions would just take ages and it got worse every year. Moving to Apple Silicon made it bearable for a few months but somehow Jetbrains manages to get slow even on a M3 Max with 36GB RAM. Ive been fiddling with configs for years, i tried everything sinc…

I use it for Java. I have never used anything else and never had any performance issues on my 16GB MacBook Air. If its Webstorm maybe its because of automatic refresh capability ? I've had perf issues with VSCode as well with autobuild enabled. Autocomplete would grind to a halt.

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Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by Argonaut998 »

another_twist wrote: post #43
domano wrote: post #12

Last week i cancelled my Jetbrains sub after a decade of daily driving it. I just cant take the performance issues anymore. Across 5 different machines all kinds of actions would just take ages and it got worse every year. Moving to Apple Silicon made it bearable for a few months but somehow Jetbrains manages to get slow even on a M3 Max with 36GB RAM. Ive been fiddling with configs for years, i tried everything sinc…

I use it for Java. I have never used anything else and never had any performance issues on my 16GB MacBook Air. If its Webstorm maybe its because of automatic refresh capability ? I've had perf issues with VSCode as well with autobuild enabled. Autocomplete would grind to a halt.

It’s something to do with the TypeScript engine, it must be. I can also run IntelliJ fine with a huge Java project a but it’s TypeScript projects that grind it to a halt. It’s unusable on my work PC but the performance is still poor on my home PC. It’s been a steady decline since 2023

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by Argonaut998 »

binary132 wrote: post #39

I honestly have no idea why anyone pays for intellij besides a couple of the more niche editors, maybe.

For Java development nothing comes close. VSCode feels like a text editor in comparison, even with its extensions

As for general development JetBrains just works. VSCode requires a bunch of extensions made by different independent authors with different standards and it just feels glued together and inconsistent

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