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Putting email in its place with Emacs and Mu4e

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Re: Putting email in its place with Emacs and Mu4e

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Post by isaachinman »

neonnoodle wrote: post #20

I wish there were a good workaround for those of us condemned to MS365/Outlook. Outlook desktop is very unstable and buggy, and Outlook web is full of weird antipatterns. For example, it is absurdly annoying to get a direct link to an e-mail message in Outlook web. If it were easy, I would just pass that url to org-protocol in the browser and keep my tasks organized with backlinks to the e-mails that originated those…

Check us out, we support Outlook and any other possible IMAP/OAuth provider. Cross platform, offline-first, and instant syncing:

https://marcoapp.io

Re: Putting email in its place with Emacs and Mu4e

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Post by setopt »

pfortuny wrote: post #46
setopt wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually haven’t tried DavMail (but have heard about it), so if it manages to get around this sort of shenanigans I’ll happily give that a shot. In my previous org I could also use offlineimap and msmtp to connect to their Microsoft mail server via standard protocols. But in this org I’ve so far tried the built-in Exchange support in Thunderbird as well as in Evolution Data Server based exchange clients (Evolution…

You are repeating the very same history and excuses (from the IT Dpt.) I lived and heard. Davmail works for me on Linux and MacOS even from outside the intranet. Give it a try and I would be happy to help, I have a gmail account with my nick.

Thanks! Then I’ll give that a shot and email you if I get stuck :)

Re: Putting email in its place with Emacs and Mu4e

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Post by eamonnsullivan »

CreRecombinase wrote: post #37
neonnoodle wrote: post #20

I wish there were a good workaround for those of us condemned to MS365/Outlook. Outlook desktop is very unstable and buggy, and Outlook web is full of weird antipatterns. For example, it is absurdly annoying to get a direct link to an e-mail message in Outlook web. If it were easy, I would just pass that url to org-protocol in the browser and keep my tasks organized with backlinks to the e-mails that originated those…

Have you tried this yet? Looks like it uses the ms graph API https://github.com/jgunthorpe/cloud_mdir_sync

I got briefly excited about this one, but I've run into the same issue of needing the IT department to explicitly permit me:

https://github.com/jgunthorpe/cloud_mdir_sync/issues/25

Re: Putting email in its place with Emacs and Mu4e

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Post by ubermonkey »

imiric wrote: post #36
ubermonkey wrote: post #19

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The need for email to Just Work is one reason I've never let emacs anywhere NEAR my email flow. Everything in emacs becomes a Project.

The nice thing is that once things are setup in Emacs, they usually work without much maintenance or surprises for years to come. How many times have mainstream email clients changed UIs and featuresets in the last 10 years? How many of them do you expect to still exist 10 years from now? Another benefit is that using standard mailbox formats and separate tools allows you to configure, replace, and integrate any part…

And yet: my mail flow on my Mac, using the native client, is effectively unchanged for 20 years. I've changed back-ends, sure, but that's a different thing.

And I never had to hack anything together.

Re: Putting email in its place with Emacs and Mu4e

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Post by imiric »

ubermonkey wrote: post #54
imiric wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The nice thing is that once things are setup in Emacs, they usually work without much maintenance or surprises for years to come. How many times have mainstream email clients changed UIs and featuresets in the last 10 years? How many of them do you expect to still exist 10 years from now? Another benefit is that using standard mailbox formats and separate tools allows you to configure, replace, and integrate any part…

And yet: my mail flow on my Mac, using the native client, is effectively unchanged for 20 years. I've changed back-ends, sure, but that's a different thing. And I never had to hack anything together.

Whatever works for you, but I don't believe that your mail flow on the Mac is "effectively unchanged for 20 years".

Wikipedia lists many UI and functionality changes over the years for the Mail app.[1] As recently as this year, people are upset about changes in the Mail app in recent versions.[2]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Mail

[2]: https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/get-old-apple-mail-back-ios...

Re: Putting email in its place with Emacs and Mu4e

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Post by ubermonkey »

imiric wrote: post #55
ubermonkey wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet: my mail flow on my Mac, using the native client, is effectively unchanged for 20 years. I've changed back-ends, sure, but that's a different thing. And I never had to hack anything together.

Whatever works for you, but I don't believe that your mail flow on the Mac is "effectively unchanged for 20 years". Wikipedia lists many UI and functionality changes over the years for the Mail app.[1] As recently as this year, people are upset about changes in the Mail app in recent versions.[2] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Mail [2]: https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/get-old-apple-mail-back-ios...

Kinda peak HN crap to suggest I don't know how my own mail flow has worked.

Has the interface in Mail evolved since the early 2000s? Yes.

Does that constitute a material change, or even an adjustment, on my part? No.

Did I ever have to hack anything together to make this happen so smoothly for so long? Also no. ;)

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