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Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

#51
There's a great non-AI point in this article - Seattle has great engineers. In pursuing startups, Seattle engineers are relatively unambitious compared to the Bay Area. By that I mean there's less "shooting for unicorns" and a comparatively more reserved startup culture and environment.

I'm not sure why. I don't think it's access to capital, but I'd love to hear thoughts.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

#53

Author here if anyone has thoughts

I like that you shared the insight. Feels like you shared a secret to the world that is not so secret if you work a Microsoft (I guess this is less about the city)

I feel bad for people who work at dystopian places where you can't just do the job, try to get ahead etc. It is set up to make people fail and play politics.

I wonder if the company is dying slowly but with AI hype qaand old good foundations keeping her stock price going.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

#54

Author here if anyone has thoughts

Howdy! I personally don't really understand the "point" the article is trying to make. I mostly agree with your sentiment that AI can be useful. I too have seen a massive increase in productivity in my hobbies, thanks to LLMs.

As to the point of the article, is it just to say "People shouldn't hate LLMs"? My takeaway was more "This person's future isn't threatened directly so they just aren't understanding why people feel this way." but I also personally believe that, if the CEOs have their way, AI will threaten every job eventually.

So yeah I guess I'm just curious what the conclusion presented here is meant to be?

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

#56

this reads like an ad for your project

It reads like it's AI-edited, which is deliciously ironic. (Protip: if you're going to use em—dashes—everywhere, either learn to use them appropriately, or be prepared to be blasted for AI—ification of your writing.)

Ironic? The author is working on an AI project.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My creative writing teacher in college drilled the m dash into me. I can’t really write without them now

I think the presence of em dashes is a very poor metric for determining if something is AI generated. I'm not sure why it's so popular.

So the funny thing is m dashes have always been a great trick to help your writing flow better. I guess gpt4o figured this out in RLHF and now it's everywhere

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

#58
post #41

> Engineers don't try because they think they can't. This article assumes that AI is the centre of the universe, failing to understand that that assumption is exactly what's causing the attitude they're pointing to. There's a dichotomy in the software world between real products (which have customers and use cases and make money by giving people things they need) and hype products (which exist to get investors excite…

> There's a dichotomy in the software world between real products (which have customers and use cases and make money by giving people things they need) and hype products (which exist to get investors excited, so they'll fork over more money).

AI is not both of these things? There are no real AI products that have real customers and make money by giving people what they need?

> LLMs are a more substantive technology than blockchain ever was, but like blockchain, their potential has been greatly overstated.

What do you view as the potential that’s been stated?

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

#60

Literally everyone I know is sick of AI. Sick of it being crowbar'd into tools we already use and find value in. Sick of it being hyped at us as though it's a tech moment it simply isn't. Sick of companies playing at being forward thinking and new despite selling the same old shit but they've bolted a chatbot to it, so now it's "AI." Sick of integrations and products that just plain do not fucking work . I wouldn't s…

Oh, I will happily get in your face and tell you your AI garbage sucks. I'm not afraid of these people, and you shouldn't be, either. Bring back social pressure. We successfully shamed Google Glassholes into obscurity, we can do it again. This shit has infested entire operating systems now, all so someone can get another billion dollars, while the rest of us struggle to make rent. It's made my career miserable, for s…

The thing that stops me being outwardly hostile is that there are a minority, and it is a minor, minor minority, of applications for AI that are actually pretty interesting and useful. It's just catastrophically oversaturated with samey garbage that does nothing.

I'm all for shaming people who just link to ChatGPT and call their whatever thing AI powered. If you're actually doing some work though and doing something interesting, I'll hear you out.

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