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Re: Stop talking

#51

Post by shadowgovt »

jsrozner wrote: post #27
catigula wrote: post #3

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Yes, it is, 100%. One does not even need an AI detector; it's obvious from the first sentence: "brought a lot of context, more scars, and more pattern recognition." "Like a lineman sees a frayed cable." Lol. This is the sloppiest slop there is. But you got downvoted for pointing out that it was slop. I got similarly downvoted a couple days ago. Hackernews folk seem uninterested in having it pointed out when AI is bei…

It's c) "Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting" (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). "I don't like how this content was generated" is a tangential annoyance. One might as well be complaining about "I don't like this author's poor grasp of English" without addressing what they're trying to say with the language.

(And the "I don't like" part of that trips over "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity." We've all heard the pros and cons arguments of AI-augmented output by now. Fighting the fight here is just adding noise).

Re: Stop talking

#52

Post by shadowgovt »

catigula wrote: post #17
shadowgovt wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be because the thing is whole-cloth generated from AI, but given that the author has a .in email address, it also might be that English is not their first language but they want to reach a broader audience with their message so they used AI to translate it into the lingua franca of modern technical and scientific discussion (which is, this is always funny to me, not franca ). AI generators do a better job…

Regardless, presenting AI generated content without the disclaimer *I AI GENERATED THIS CONTENT. IF YOU THINK MY MOST LIKELY BRIEF AND LOW-EFFORT PROMPT JUSTIFIES YOU READING POTENTIALLY LARGE AMOUNTS OF AI OUTPUT, CONTINUE* as if it's worth reading is something a lot of people aren't okay with. I actually find it an insulting imposition on my time. I don't think this is unreasonable or even unusual.

Given that you've got a detector for AI content, that doesn't seem necessary on the part of the author. You can already tune your browsing experience with a Chrome extension that can scan the target URL and issue you a personally-crafted warning.

Win-win.

Re: Stop talking

#53

Post by raw_anon_1111 »

giardini wrote: post #35

Bad idea. I want people working around me to notice, be uncomfortable and especially speak up if something is amiss. Unless you work in a malignant environment, this should be normal behavior.

I want people who are working on a project/initiative that I’m responsible for to speak up and I do a scenario question when I’m interviewing candidates to see if they will speak up.

But I’m not going to stick my neck out and be “the problem”. I will definitely speak up about misgivings over ideas where my manager has some authority to change something. But that’s about it.

But in my experience, line level managers are useless. They have no organizational weight or authority.

When someone reaches out to me about a job where they wanted me to lead strategic organizational changes or initiatives, the first thing I tease out is whether I will be reporting directly to someone who has real authority - in a smaller company someone with C* as their title. In a larger company a director.

Re: Stop talking

#54

Post by cindyllm »

mjg2 wrote: post #28

Absolutisms like this are challenging to strike right because an establishment of context is needed. This post's sentiment sounds like regret and resentment over past events (there is trauma), and the author knows to not put their hand on the stove. Sometimes not speaking up is the best thing for future situations. Other times, it's too costly to not speak up, and what should follow is the speaker making right by the…

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Re: Stop talking

#55

Post by raw_anon_1111 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #51
jsrozner wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is, 100%. One does not even need an AI detector; it's obvious from the first sentence: "brought a lot of context, more scars, and more pattern recognition." "Like a lineman sees a frayed cable." Lol. This is the sloppiest slop there is. But you got downvoted for pointing out that it was slop. I got similarly downvoted a couple days ago. Hackernews folk seem uninterested in having it pointed out when AI is bei…

It's c) "Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ). "I don't like how this content was generated" is a tangential annoyance. One might as well be complaining about "I don't like this author's poor grasp of English" without addressing what they're…

So if I submitted this as a blog post, you wouldn’t speak up?

https://chatgpt.com/share/6930a291-a1fc-8010-bb72-7070139949...

Re: Stop talking

#56

Post by gwbas1c »

It's more about picking battles.

I noticed a glaring problem and pushed to refactor a product to fix it, and kept pushing, and kept pushing. In this case, there was a critical need to fix the product, and I was rewarded for it. It lead to a nice tenure for me for almost a decade. (And, I got to stay long enough to get bored.)

More recently, I noticed a glaring problem, and pushed up to the CEO because he frequently complains about the consequences of the glaring problem. The difference is that I can't fix the problem in a few months. There's a lot more coordination and working around other business needs. But again, as long as I'm persistent, I'll have a nice tenure for a decade or more. (And, the work is large enough that I don't think I'll get bored for a long time.)

Re: Stop talking

#57

Post by shadowgovt »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #55
shadowgovt wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's c) "Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ). "I don't like how this content was generated" is a tangential annoyance. One might as well be complaining about "I don't like this author's poor grasp of English" without addressing what they're…

So if I submitted this as a blog post, you wouldn’t speak up? https://chatgpt.com/share/6930a291-a1fc-8010-bb72-7070139949...

I'd flag and move on. That's what the button is for.

(Actually, for that specific chatgpt output: the content isn't that awful, at least for the headers. I didn't bother to read every line of it, but I don't bother to read every line of every article I click on in Hacker News in general; only things deep in my wheel-house get added to the "read in detail later" queue).

Re: Stop talking

#58

Post by raw_anon_1111 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #57
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if I submitted this as a blog post, you wouldn’t speak up? https://chatgpt.com/share/6930a291-a1fc-8010-bb72-7070139949...

I'd flag and move on. That's what the button is for. (Actually, for that specific chatgpt output: the content isn't that awful, at least for the headers. I didn't bother to read every line of it, but I don't bother to read every line of every article I click on in Hacker News in general; only things deep in my wheel-house get added to the "read in detail later" queue).

I hate to admit it. But it really isn’t that bad. My only custom instructions are basically never use an em dash and avoid the “Not $x. But $Y” pattern when writing.

And hypocritically, I plan on putting it on my own link list/some custom writing blog.

But in my defense, my blog is more of a public journal. I don’t link to it anywhere and my name isn’t attached to it.

Re: Stop talking

#59

Post by shadowgovt »

tock wrote: post #26
shadowgovt wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be because the thing is whole-cloth generated from AI, but given that the author has a .in email address, it also might be that English is not their first language but they want to reach a broader audience with their message so they used AI to translate it into the lingua franca of modern technical and scientific discussion (which is, this is always funny to me, not franca ). AI generators do a better job…

> the author has a .in email address Indians write english just fine.

They do, in general; that was an inappropriate and incorrect generalization on my part.

But we can tab back 10 years in this blogger's history and note their grasp of English wasn't deeply fluid. If they're using AI to bridge the gap, I for one ain't faulting them.

Re: Stop talking

#60

Post by skmurphy »

In a technical environment the first step is probably to write your ideas down. Sleep on it, review, and then share with a few people you trust for candid feedback. From there you can share more widely, fine tune and adjust, or realize that you mis-assessed.
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