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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by profsummergig »

ikmckenz wrote: post #40
profsummergig wrote: post #16

ref: "the new tobacco" this last year i'm seeing very concerning behavior in students in the 14-20 range. complete addiction to their phones. very deep interests in things i was completely unaware that they existed. similar to how when i started noticing anime girlfriends/waifus in 2016. about 40% are deep in discord communities where i literally cannot figure out a single sentence of what they're talking about. if s…

> very deep interests in things i was completely unaware that they existed ... say goodbye to the cognitive ability of a large chunk of future generations I would think very deep interests in niche or obscure topics is correlated with increased cognitive ability, not a decrease.

anime waifus?

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jonplackett wrote: post #42
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do they actually have a choice? Yes. Apple's revenues are half as much as the government of India's [1][2]. That's a resource advantage that gives Cupertino real leverage against New Delhi. [1] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/10/apple-reports-fourth-... $102.5bn / quarter [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_governmen... $827bn / year

Apple need India though. They’re moving a lot of their manufacturing there to derisk from a China. Also, they gave in to the CCP and always say ‘we obey the laws of the countries in which we operate’. Apple is, at the end of the day, just a business.

> Apple need India though. They’re moving a lot of their manufacturing there to derisk from a China

That creates obligations both ways. Put another way, Apple is an increasingly-major employer in India.

The real carrot New Delhi has is its growing middle class. The real carrot Apple has is its aspirational branding.

> they gave in to the CCP and always say ‘we obey the laws of the countries in which we operate'

Apple regularly negotiates and occasionally openly fights laws its disagrees with. This would be no different. Cupertino is anything but lazy and nihilistic. Mandated installation opens a door they've fought hard to keep shut because it carries global precedent.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by krelas »

profsummergig wrote: post #16

ref: "the new tobacco" this last year i'm seeing very concerning behavior in students in the 14-20 range. complete addiction to their phones. very deep interests in things i was completely unaware that they existed. similar to how when i started noticing anime girlfriends/waifus in 2016. about 40% are deep in discord communities where i literally cannot figure out a single sentence of what they're talking about. if s…

> about 40% are deep in discord communities where i literally cannot figure out a single sentence of what they're talking about.

I feel like the same could be said of an at the time adult looking at my IRC or MSN Messenger logs from when I was a teen.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by psychoslave »

rishabhaiover wrote: post #22

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

The problem iscontrolling people at intimate thought level. Sure education is part of it. But state controlled device tracking everything they say, where they go and who they are exchanging with is also a tool to leverage on in that perspective.

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Post by roncesvalles »

marginalx wrote: post #28
__rito__ wrote: post #15

I wouldn’t venture in the direction that many here will take. I will point out that India have the highest number of victims of cyber-fraud. I personally know many people who have lost significant sums through social engineering attacks. The money is transferred to multiple mule accounts and physical cash is siphoned off to the fraudsters by the owners of those account. They choose helpless, illiterate, village dwell…

And you trust the government to only use it for good purposes? and not to track people who may be protesting or belong to opposing political/religious/cultural views? We know based on historical pegasus complaints that this trust has to be earned and can't be given. There are lots of ways to solve for this, mandating that these companies own the identification process through their systems, report misuse, govern apps…

Automatic mistrust of the government is a pretty juvenile take. Yes there are tons of ways, and having OEMs preload an app is the easiest one in a country of 1.1B mobile connections.

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Post by 4ndrewl »

rishabhaiover wrote: post #22

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

First they came for the etc, etc...

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Post by [deleted] »

profsummergig wrote: post #16

ref: "the new tobacco" this last year i'm seeing very concerning behavior in students in the 14-20 range. complete addiction to their phones. very deep interests in things i was completely unaware that they existed. similar to how when i started noticing anime girlfriends/waifus in 2016. about 40% are deep in discord communities where i literally cannot figure out a single sentence of what they're talking about. if s…

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by lez »

It is happening, in spite many won't really deeply believe. Every day 33 brits are arrested for what they say online.

It's happening, and it's time we say no. It's uncomfortable, but we need to do it en masse, right now.

Do not buy backdoored hardware, help others get rid of the backdoors, use anonymous technology to organize protests.

There has to be a line.

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