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Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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For me, the scary moment was seeing Grokipedia show up as one of the “sources” in a random Claude query a few days ago. Even if people don’t explicitly choose to use it, poisoning the well is working.

Yeah I would love it if I could put in some guardrails for this type of stuff, eg never use Grokipedia or Reddit as authoritative sources (I currently put that in my personalization prompt).

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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post #39

The need to hate on Grokipedia is weird to me. It’s another site on the web. It’s an experiment with LLMs. Who cares? It can be filled with a bunch of nonsense, whatever. The internet is like that. Maybe it’ll actually become something useful. Or it’ll inspire something useful. Regardless, there’s no such thing as bad publicity, so these articles just give the project airtime. Even commenters here mention they haven’…

It’s not the fact that it exists nor is written by AIs, it’s the intent that it should promote Musk’s personal (political) biases instead of seeking out the truth.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is there any reason to not treat this as Wikipedia? As in, just suggest a correction?

>> I've been reading a lot of Don Delillo lately and so I wanted to see how Grokipedia page on him fares. > But is there any reason to not treat this as Wikipedia? As in, just suggest a correction? How? I see no "Edit" link on the article: * https://grokipedia.com/page/Don_DeLillo as compared to: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_DeLillo There is no "Talk" page as well, so if your change is 'contentious', how is co…

Have you tried selecting the wrong section?

For me, a “Suggest Edit” button pops up at the bottom (on phone) after selecting some text.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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post #7

This seems like an old article, but probably still true today What I don't get is, why wouldn't Elon just make a good version of Grokipedia. It seems way easier than continually telling his 200MM+ followers how great a deeply broken product is.

What would a "good" version be ? Start putting real facts into a site and before you know it you're "woke" again with such untruths as Slavery was Bad, Biden won the 2020 Election and of course Full Self Driving is Impossible without Lidar

>Start putting real facts into a site and before you know it you're "woke" again

This is precisely the problem that is being arrogantly failing to be addressed by grokipedia. This idea that knowledge naturally leans ideologically left and that as such it's not only natural, but even beneficial that there is widespread left wing bias.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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post #38

If Wikipedia was not real, it would sound like a naive utopian thing you’d read in a bad paperback. Multi-language repository of basically all human knowledge that’s extremely resistant to government capture and contributed by volunteers totally transparently? Bullshit. And yet … there it is.

Wikipedia is not resistant to capture. It is structurally exposed to coordinated editing groups, and the platform has no robust way to detect or neutralize them. On politically or strategically important pages, especially where state or financial interests are involved, organized paid editors can and do shape coverage, dominate talk pages, and crowd out dissenting contributions. There have been many editing scandals…

There’s also the rules of Wikipedia. Things like what constitutes a “source” really skew things. Lots of worthy sources aren’t a mainstream news outlet or academic journal, but are excluded. This creates biases of its own.

Wikipedia is great in many ways, but I would say it’s not really designed to be neutral.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

#56
I’m a big history nerd so checked out a couple historical events I know well from reading everything under the sun about them.

Grokepedia is far better than Wikipedia far better for 3 of the 5 I checked. Just content wise it much richer, more descriptive.

In terms of accuracy, I would say 3 of the 5 were better in Grokedpia, with 2 of them being highly one-sided in Wikipedia (presumably from people camping on the Wikipedia article).

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

#57

Just look at the article on HN[1] on Grokipedia. It's almost 5500+ words long. The Wikipedia article is not even 500 words[2]. This won't be a problem if the article contained anything of substance. It doesn't. It's written as if LLM was specifically instructed to be as verbose and as boring as possible. > Its algorithmic ranking system, which weights recent votes more heavily to counter brigading and promote fresh,…

That sentence should probably be broken up for better clarity, but the content looks true and informative to me. Did you include that to imply there's something wrong with it?

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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post #36

Musk has previously called for Wikipedia to be defunded and boycotted[1]. The linked reference is from January, just after Musk bought an election and when he was plugged directly into U.S. presidential authority. If he'd had the self-control to manage his interactions with Trump in a way that didn't rapidly lead to breakdown, things could be looking very grim for Wikipedia by now. As with so many other aspects of th…

> Grokipedia is far more than just the anti-Wikipedia. It's a sign of things to come if we don't start harden the systems, governmental or otherwise, that keep Wikipedia available to the public.

That seems a bit paranoid. You worry that he US government will shut down Wikipedia and anything like it hosted anywhere in the world? Or alternatively block it when you’re in the US jurisdiction?

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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post #39

The need to hate on Grokipedia is weird to me. It’s another site on the web. It’s an experiment with LLMs. Who cares? It can be filled with a bunch of nonsense, whatever. The internet is like that. Maybe it’ll actually become something useful. Or it’ll inspire something useful. Regardless, there’s no such thing as bad publicity, so these articles just give the project airtime. Even commenters here mention they haven’…

It’s not the fact that it exists nor is written by AIs, it’s the intent that it should promote Musk’s personal (political) biases instead of seeking out the truth.

How so? Musk isn’t writing the articles, Grok is. And as far as I’ve seen, Grok doesn’t spit out information all that different from the other LLMs.
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