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Re: Stackoverflow Outage

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Post by JustExAWS »

Etheryte wrote: post #9
John7878781 wrote: post #3

Stack Overflow is no longer relevant. Today, you can just ask Gemini, Claude, or ChatGPT instead, and you don’t have to deal with the usual condescension.

I can see where you might get that sentiment, but where do you plan to go when new tech rolls around, the docs don't cut it and your LLM of choice hallucinates APIs that don't exist? This was always Stackoverflow's bread and butter, and people who only use it as noob search tend to miss that fact. SO can be a tough crowd, yes, but mostly it's people who didn't read the rules before posting who get burnt. That aside,…

Most of my work these days are around the AWS SDKs and Terraform. I always just say “verify the APis on the internet”.

Now, AWS has a documentation MCP server that can integrate with ChatGPT.

https://github.com/awslabs/mcp/tree/main/src/aws-api-mcp-ser...

I haven’t used it.

Re: Stackoverflow Outage

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Post by sien »

Waterluvian wrote: post #45
fooqux wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a love/hate relationship with the site, and I'm likewise conflicted by its eventual demise. On one hand, it's an incredible place full of smart people and has some of the best rabbit holes to fall into. On the other hand, portions of the site (programming among them) has the worst culture imaginable and has likely turned as many people off from learning as it has helped.

Not only does GPT lack the pretty nasty culture of SO, it’s so much faster to work with. I anticipate SO will go into decline and get worse as a result. I wonder how much GPT will suffer without it as a source. In a way, they’re kind of a match made in heaven: domain experts who share experience and knowledge not found in the user docs alone, cleaned of the antisocial nastiness usually filtered by tech writers and PR…

That's a very good point.

The AI chatbots could, with user approval, arguably create a new database of asked questions that they could research and add to.

Re: Stackoverflow Outage

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Post by SwiftyBug »

Etheryte wrote: post #9
John7878781 wrote: post #3

Stack Overflow is no longer relevant. Today, you can just ask Gemini, Claude, or ChatGPT instead, and you don’t have to deal with the usual condescension.

I can see where you might get that sentiment, but where do you plan to go when new tech rolls around, the docs don't cut it and your LLM of choice hallucinates APIs that don't exist? This was always Stackoverflow's bread and butter, and people who only use it as noob search tend to miss that fact. SO can be a tough crowd, yes, but mostly it's people who didn't read the rules before posting who get burnt. That aside,…

Unfortunately the answer to that is the Discord server of whatever technology I'm working with. Communities are now separated each in their silo on Discord, far away from the public internet, where nothing can be indexed.

Re: Stackoverflow Outage

#54

Post by Etheryte »

rafark wrote: post #49
Etheryte wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see where you might get that sentiment, but where do you plan to go when new tech rolls around, the docs don't cut it and your LLM of choice hallucinates APIs that don't exist? This was always Stackoverflow's bread and butter, and people who only use it as noob search tend to miss that fact. SO can be a tough crowd, yes, but mostly it's people who didn't read the rules before posting who get burnt. That aside,…

> the docs don't cut it Yet. By the time stackoverlow shuts down, AIs will be powerful enough to take data from docs or just from the source code alone. I mean the new version of opus is pretty good at understanding my front end source code. I think that should be the goal of AIs (that they are so advanced they don’t need to read code examples from a third party website like stackoverflow)

This is a pretty narrow view. Most APIs out there are not source available, frontend libraries are the odd one out in that regard. Likewise for docs, it doesn't matter if the LLM can read the docs or not if the docs literally don't include the things you need to figure out. I suspect this is a generational divide, people who grew up with SO can't imagine what life was like before it, but right now we're on a straight course back to isolationist communities, if we aren't already there.

Re: Stackoverflow Outage

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Post by rafark »

Etheryte wrote: post #54
rafark wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the docs don't cut it Yet. By the time stackoverlow shuts down, AIs will be powerful enough to take data from docs or just from the source code alone. I mean the new version of opus is pretty good at understanding my front end source code. I think that should be the goal of AIs (that they are so advanced they don’t need to read code examples from a third party website like stackoverflow)

This is a pretty narrow view. Most APIs out there are not source available, frontend libraries are the odd one out in that regard. Likewise for docs, it doesn't matter if the LLM can read the docs or not if the docs literally don't include the things you need to figure out. I suspect this is a generational divide, people who grew up with SO can't imagine what life was like before it, but right now we're on a straight…

Really? That’s actually a very narrow view to think that AIs need to rely on code examples of some third party forum.

AIs will be good enough to understand the docs and source code alone, just like the human answering a stackoverflow question.

Re: Stackoverflow Outage

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Post by arbol »

torben-friis wrote: post #20
arbol wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SO is probably a very significant factor in the success of LLMs but it's decline will not affect LLM development. LLMs will simply be trained on the conversations people are having with them.

I either misunderstand or disagree with that idea: People go to the llm to request help. How is that conversation going to be a good source to increase future knowledge? No one is going to ChatGPT to explain to it how they solved a problem.

Chatgpt can identify when it's solution has helped you solve the problem and use those conversations to train on
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