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Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by postoplust »

dubcanada wrote: post #37
mandevil wrote: post #18

A big part of this is that modern movies are carefully calibrated so that you can follow along while sitting on your couch focused on your phone. Movies in the 1990's didn't need to have so much clanky dialog explaining, in careful detail, why we were someplace. The writers and directors could presume that the audience was actually paying attention to the movie, and so would make the necessary inferences. Modern movi…

I don't particularly disagree with you, but do you have evidence that modern movies are calibrated and written to allow for someone to sit on their phones the entire time and understand? Largely seems like some movies are written to be mass consumed and some are not. No different then a movie from the 90s. Our attention span is decreasing a lot obviously, but it's never been that long.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/netflix-is-telling-writers-to-dum... (https://archive.is/RE0pz)

> Amid a push to perfect 'casual viewing,' creatives say streaming execs are requiring them to remove nuance and visual cues, and do things like announce when characters enter a room.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by zorked »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #8
dosinga wrote: post #3

Also: Recency & survival bias. We remember what became the classics from the 90s and also what came out this year and was available on our last flight

When can I expect 2010s movies to feel as good as 90s and early 2000s movies felt 10 years ago? Is there going to be a future golden age when this decade’s churned-out Disney / Marvel / Star Wars reboots and sequels feel inspired?

You will forget the bad movies, remember the good movies, and describe the 2010s as a great era.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #24
mandevil wrote: post #18

A big part of this is that modern movies are carefully calibrated so that you can follow along while sitting on your couch focused on your phone. Movies in the 1990's didn't need to have so much clanky dialog explaining, in careful detail, why we were someplace. The writers and directors could presume that the audience was actually paying attention to the movie, and so would make the necessary inferences. Modern movi…

My most "old woman yells at cloud" opinion is the fucking DISEASE of smartphones that is truly a cancer in our society. Don't get me wrong, I love mine, and they're completely possible to use in a way that coexists with the rest of your tech and life, but my god, the wide adoption of them has demonstrated the majority of our population has the regulation capacity of a fucking carrot. And my inner artist is absolutely…

> My most "old woman yells at cloud" opinion is the fucking DISEASE of smartphones that is truly a cancer in our society. Don't get me wrong, I love mine, and they're completely possible to use in a way that coexists with the rest of your tech and life, but my god, the wide adoption of them has demonstrated the majority of our population has the regulation capacity of a fucking carrot.

Every morning, I am one of about four parents dropping Primary 1 age children off at school that isn't nose-down in a phone. While walking, while crossing the road, while standing there waiting to pick their child up after school - nose down, thumb going scroll scroll scroll.

Christ almighty. I only carry my phone because in theory I'm still at work for that half an hour, and if anyone phones me twice it's probably important enough to look at, maybe even answer.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by CupricTea »

The biggest thing for me is the cinematography. 80s/90s movies were filmed as if you're standing alongside the cast.

* Many more shots from eye level

* Significantly less jumpcuts

* People actually cast shadows onto the environment, and filmmakers would fearlessly shoot scenes with full bright or full dark elements in them without trying to make everything dark and bright visible simultaneously

* Waist-up or even full body shots of multiple (3+) characters talking and/or walking around with few if any jump cuts

I'm not even from that era but I find movies from that era to feel the most "real", like I can almost reach into the screen and just "be there" together. This aesthetic is perfectly doable in the modern age, even with digital cameras, it's just not the trend currently.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by phantasmish »

haunter wrote: post #44

I've seen many good films this decade too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There Is No Evil (شیطان وجود ندارد) 2020 Drive My Car (ドライブ・マイ・カー) 2021 The two Dune films Alcarràs 2022 Suzume (すずめの戸締まり) 2022 Monster (怪物) 2023 Fallen Leaves (Kuolleet lehdet) 2023 The Holdovers 2023 Perfect Days 2023 The Substance 2024 Bugonia 2025 (even though it's a remake)

Several hundred new movies see significant distribution or screenings every year. Folks who say “there are no good movies now” have really narrow taste or aren’t looking hard enough.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by hyperhello »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #24
mandevil wrote: post #18

A big part of this is that modern movies are carefully calibrated so that you can follow along while sitting on your couch focused on your phone. Movies in the 1990's didn't need to have so much clanky dialog explaining, in careful detail, why we were someplace. The writers and directors could presume that the audience was actually paying attention to the movie, and so would make the necessary inferences. Modern movi…

My most "old woman yells at cloud" opinion is the fucking DISEASE of smartphones that is truly a cancer in our society. Don't get me wrong, I love mine, and they're completely possible to use in a way that coexists with the rest of your tech and life, but my god, the wide adoption of them has demonstrated the majority of our population has the regulation capacity of a fucking carrot. And my inner artist is absolutely…

It's all crap, my friend. You can pretend Super Mario is different than Predator longer than you can pretend the Big Mac is different than the Whopper or Home Alone is different than Home Alone 2. Little kids can hold two stuffed animals and make up stories where they are different, but when you're older you can meaningfully accept that it all scrolls by and your life is the same whether you ate a Whopper and root for the Bengals or you ate a Big Mac and root for the Cubs.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by rlonstein »

mrits wrote: post #45
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My most "old woman yells at cloud" opinion is the fucking DISEASE of smartphones that is truly a cancer in our society. Don't get me wrong, I love mine, and they're completely possible to use in a way that coexists with the rest of your tech and life, but my god, the wide adoption of them has demonstrated the majority of our population has the regulation capacity of a fucking carrot. And my inner artist is absolutely…

"Commit to taking in ONE PIECE of art at a time you fucking dopamine junkies." "in-game radio station" You found a loop hole

I thought Saints Row IV and Sleeping Dogs did this really well, to the point where I'd go around in the car just to hear all the radio stations.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by floren »

phony-account wrote: post #31
kridsdale1 wrote: post #9

In my experience it’s that set lighting has changed enormously. Modern digital cinema cameras can capture dark scenes far better than the film stocks of the 90s and earlier. So set designers don’t need to blast light everywhere to have actors be visible. Now, we even have AI Denoising that can make ISO 12500 look like 800. Go watch a 90s movie and look at a night or interior scene. You’ll see that everyone is actuall…

> Modern digital cinema cameras can capture dark scenes far better than the film stocks of the 90s and earlier. So set designers don’t need to blast light everywhere to have actors be visible… > Go watch a 90s movie and look at a night or interior scene. You’ll see that everyone is actually lit by blue lights. Not natural darkness. That’s a major change. Let me introduce you to some film history: https://neiloseman.c…

Any discussion about film should probably include a disclaimer like "what we say here doesn't necessarily apply to Kubrick because he was Kubrick"
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