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KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

#51
Wayland is missing one thing still for me. Perhaps someone can tell me there is a way to do this:

1. ssh into a machine with a running session

2. start (something) that lets me remotely connect to it

Right now I have two working solutions for X11 (x11vnc, freerdp-shadow) but zero for Wayland. I think this is intentional because the venn diagram of remote-access-tools and malware has a large intersection, but it's very useful too!

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

#52
I live in a cave and am not a system programmer -- what's so wrong with X11 so people need to replace it with something else instead of improving it?

Or, what's so wrong with anything so people need to replace it with something else instead of improving it?

Let's say I'm an old man favoring improving existing stuffs instead of starting from scratch. I like debugging and wish to work as a sys programmer specialized in debugging and fixing/improving legacy codebase. But again I'm not really a sys programmer so I'm probably on the wrong side.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

#53
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The future seems buggy and incomplete.

But it's coming anyway, whether people like it or not. FWIW, it is my understanding that XWayland is still supported, so it's not like your apps will stop working.

> FWIW, it is my understanding that XWayland is still supported, so it's not like your apps will stop working.

Applications generally work through XWayland. Accessibility and automation tools do not.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

#55
post #47

This is a real shame. I'm using X11 still because Discord doesn't work properly with Wayland, and the alternative (Vesktop) doesn't support keybinds when the window isn't focused. Since my distro (Arch) doesn't support holding back packages, I guess I'll have to switch distros entirely so that my Discord setup stays working. :/

> Discord doesn't work properly with Wayland Is this specifically to do with screen sharing or streaming? I use it purely as a chat client under Wayland and it has generally worked fine. (Now that I think of it, I've had a few weird crashes, but nothing which made it unusable)

> a few weird crashes

To OP's point, assuming it's limited to Wayland, this seems reasonable to call out as "doesn't work properly".

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

#56

Wayland has still no way to set DPI of multiple monitors. The fonts look terrible on it. I had to move to KDE Plasma on X11 ever since GNOME started forcing Wayland on us. I guess I have to buy a 4K monitor in future.

You can. KDE Wayland allows you to even set fractional scaling. I had 125% on one monitor and 100% on three others. all work like a chgarm

How did you arrive at 125%? What is the formula? Just eyeballing?

I set DPI so that a 15pt font occupies 15pt physical space on screen. Not sure how to set DPI using fractional scaling.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

#57

I tried Wayland earlier today on my home lab with Plasma and FreeBSD. It seemed pretty great for a bit and ran my monitor at 120Hz. Until it hard crashed my machine after I opened discord in firefox. Konqueror crashed on opening.

KDE on Linux is the way. Extremely Stable.

Plasma is KDE. What are you trying to say?

Edit: oh, I guess swapping FreeBSD for Linux? Yeah nah, I don't know GP, but I suspect this isn't a reason for them to switch OS just to solve this.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

#58

I live in a cave and am not a system programmer -- what's so wrong with X11 so people need to replace it with something else instead of improving it? Or, what's so wrong with anything so people need to replace it with something else instead of improving it? Let's say I'm an old man favoring improving existing stuffs instead of starting from scratch. I like debugging and wish to work as a sys programmer specialized in…

I might try to explain with some examples.

1) it would really be nice to renovate that old house in the city center of an old Italian town! Oh but hold and behold: you'd have to spend hours, days, months, even years (I am not kidding) just waiting for approval and agreeing on what you can and cannot do with the house. And it would cost twice as much as building a new one. And the new one would have better insulation and a modern layout, and be exactly like you want. That's why it's not always the case to fix and improve an existing thing.

2) it would really be nice to fix that car from the '60ies. Oh but hold and behold: the design doesn't really allow you to have all the safety measures of modern cars. And the maximum speed is going go be 65mph on a good day. And it's going to cost you twice as much as a new car, OR you'd have to learn tons of mechanical stuff to be able to fix it yourself. That's why it's not always the case to fix and improve existing things.

3) it's just more fun to build new things (at least for some people). It's open source. People do this for free, to learn and enjoy their time. They can do whatever they want, and they decided to go with the shiny new thing. Is it better than fixing and improving an existing technology? I don't know. But apparently it's more fun! :)

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

#60

I live in a cave and am not a system programmer -- what's so wrong with X11 so people need to replace it with something else instead of improving it? Or, what's so wrong with anything so people need to replace it with something else instead of improving it? Let's say I'm an old man favoring improving existing stuffs instead of starting from scratch. I like debugging and wish to work as a sys programmer specialized in…

OSS is an intersection of commercial and hobbyist programmers and agendas. If youre a hobbyist you may prefer to spend time working on green field rather than the existing. This eventually culminates in some new stuff replacing the old.

Not saying that is what happened here, but sometimes the answer is because the old one is just not fun to work on anymore.

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