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Bureau of Meteorology's new boss asked to examine $96M bill for website redesign

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Re: Bureau of Meteorology's new boss asked to examine $96M bill for website redesign

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It's extraordinary how far departments (even large companies) will go to avoid in-sourcing work. $AU96M is a small team of developers hired, paid and pensioned for decades . Anyone rubber-stamping that sort of invoice deserves jail time.

Ok great, in-source the project but we’ve been promised a yearly headcount increase of exactly 0. Any hires above that require the minister to sign off. In your team you have, 3 data scientists that have never worked on a software project, an intern who likes computer games and a PM that used to work in the tax department. This is a 12 month project, everyone needs to also do their own job and if it’s late, they’re c…

> promised a yearly headcount increase of exactly 0

That's the silly thing that seems to cause so much trouble. The conversation should be about budget rather than headcount, and the department heads given flexibility on how to manage their budget. There probably is some reasonable amount of budget to bring consultants in for advice on industry practices, but as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, projects like these should generally be managed in-house, and used to build up organisational knowledge, which will be crucial for effective long-term maintenance.

On that note, one of the best uses I've seen of consulting companies, is to have them help define the hiring plan for implementing the project, and sit in on interview panels, to help put in-house leaders in the right mindset of how to assess the competencies that they themselves are lacking.

Re: Bureau of Meteorology's new boss asked to examine $96M bill for website redesign

#52
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Hopefully they'll go through all billed invoices with a microscope. My guess is that this will reveal outright fraud from the consulting firm(s), in the form of overbilling in hours. Even if they bill $500/hr, and they billed 24 hours a day, that would come out to $4.38m / year for each consultant. That's a 11 member team billing 24 hours a day, all year round, for two years straight. And if they billed more realisti…

See, usually you don't have 11 developers coding 24/7. What you usually have is project managers, account managers etc and then a few people who code every now and then. Then you have licenses and support costs. You can't just code the website, zip the code and mail it to the client. They have many stakeholders like this person needs to be able to show this that persin needs to be able to access this etc because they…

> You can't just code the website, zip the code and mail it to the client.

The suggestion that the only alternative to paying $96 million AUD ($62 million USD) for a website is getting one that was "coded, zipped, and mailed" is absurd.

> That's why you have thousands of employees in tech companies with seemingly a simple product that you can fully code in a week(at least the user facing part of it).

I've worked at Salesforce, Facebook, and Adobe. I couldn't code even the thinnest sliver of a vertical slice of any of their products in a week.

Re: Bureau of Meteorology's new boss asked to examine $96M bill for website redesign

#53

Hopefully they'll go through all billed invoices with a microscope. My guess is that this will reveal outright fraud from the consulting firm(s), in the form of overbilling in hours. Even if they bill $500/hr, and they billed 24 hours a day, that would come out to $4.38m / year for each consultant. That's a 11 member team billing 24 hours a day, all year round, for two years straight. And if they billed more realisti…

“It said the cost breakdown included $4.1 million for the redesign, $79.8 million for the website build, and the site's launch and security testing cost $12.6 million“

So 95% of that wasn’t from the cost of the website redesign. “$79.8 million for the website build” included the actual weather modeling and suddenly that number looks way more reasonable.

Classic case of project scope creep stretching what redesign means until you’re including a supercomputer as part of the bill of materials.

Re: Bureau of Meteorology's new boss asked to examine $96M bill for website redesign

#54

FROM https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-24/bom-website-approved-... "... "The $96.5 million that we're talking about was not just the front end of the website, the tip of the iceberg that the public sees, but the back end, which sees data flowing from tens of thousands of pieces of equipment in the field, to the supercomputer that does all the modelling, right through to systems that actually forecast the weather an…

And so clearly was not only for design

Re: Bureau of Meteorology's new boss asked to examine $96M bill for website redesign

#55
There's a few comments speculating about fraud, but they're way off on the timeframe. I was approached about this project like 7-8 years ago. It's probably been in development the whole time.

1k * 250 * 8 * a team size of 20 is about 40 mil in salary for engineering, could be low, add on their $12M testing, $4.1M just for the design (vintage Deloitte), some cloud cost blowouts and a bunch of dickhead managers and scrumlords, plus the putrid enterprise-grade 3rd party map/data system they've gone with, I bet that wasn't cheap. All up it's in the right ballpark for a typical well-intentioned trainwreck consulting project.

Wouldn't be the first project to blow out because of a bunch of enterprise Typescript, Java and C# devs that can't deliver anything.

Welcome to the Aussie tech industry.

Re: Bureau of Meteorology's new boss asked to examine $96M bill for website redesign

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post #53

Hopefully they'll go through all billed invoices with a microscope. My guess is that this will reveal outright fraud from the consulting firm(s), in the form of overbilling in hours. Even if they bill $500/hr, and they billed 24 hours a day, that would come out to $4.38m / year for each consultant. That's a 11 member team billing 24 hours a day, all year round, for two years straight. And if they billed more realisti…

“It said the cost breakdown included $4.1 million for the redesign, $79.8 million for the website build, and the site's launch and security testing cost $12.6 million“ So 95% of that wasn’t from the cost of the website redesign. “$79.8 million for the website build” included the actual weather modeling and suddenly that number looks way more reasonable. Classic case of project scope creep stretching what redesign mea…

> * “$79.8 million for the website build” included the actual weather modeling*

I don't think that's a safe assumption to make.

Re: Bureau of Meteorology's new boss asked to examine $96M bill for website redesign

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Its 4.1m AUD. Given the salary of devs and the scope of such a website, the original budget seemed pretty optimistic.

> Given the salary of devs Devs are shocked to hear that their 500k salary makes the project cost more than a 50k they think it is worth.

Hahahaha, right. I wish. No developer in consulting is getting paid $500k.

Jesus, people hear one tidbit about prestige staff engineer positions at Microsoft, Meta, and Google, and then assume we're all getting those numbers.

Re: Bureau of Meteorology's new boss asked to examine $96M bill for website redesign

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just do it at enterprise scale with all the people needed to make it enterprise legible... and a couple of setbacks and change orders later and you're at 2.5x the original budget!

Yeah but in this case it was 23x over budget

That's some Oracle grade consulting right there.

Re: Bureau of Meteorology's new boss asked to examine $96M bill for website redesign

#59
how much money did corner petrol stations make in profits around the country in one day ? How about the refineries and distributors of Oil and Gas ?

Regarding the entire project -- you cant change what you don't measure? media poking fingers at the expenses of anti-climate pollution projects seems to be a political move these days

Re: Bureau of Meteorology's new boss asked to examine $96M bill for website redesign

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“It said the cost breakdown included $4.1 million for the redesign, $79.8 million for the website build, and the site's launch and security testing cost $12.6 million“ So 95% of that wasn’t from the cost of the website redesign. “$79.8 million for the website build” included the actual weather modeling and suddenly that number looks way more reasonable. Classic case of project scope creep stretching what redesign mea…

> * “$79.8 million for the website build” included the actual weather modeling* I don't think that's a safe assumption to make.

Per https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-24/bom-website-approved-... updated modelling, including the supercomputer to run the model, was included in the bill.
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