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France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by neilv »

> > I am preparing an article on the use of your secure personal data phone solution by drug traffickers and other criminals.

I think GrapheneOS needs a really good PR expert volunteer, or funding to pay for a non-volunteer.

My non-PR-expert guesses are... If the journalist is in bad faith or flaky, that might need to be handled. But if the journalist is in good faith, this might be an opportunity, to promote GrapheneOS and/or to start to head off adverse gov't actions there.

(GrapheneOS does some great technical work, and has given me what seems to be a more respectful and trustworthy smartphone than I could get from Apple or Google. Right now, I'd think many countries in Europe and elsewhere should be looking at something like GrapheneOS as a possible interim measure on their way to greater digital sovereignty. I understand that the French people especially value liberty.)

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by metadope »

chris_wot wrote: post #10
4ndrewl wrote: post #3

The newspaper article referenced contains insinuation (linking GrapheneOS to the darkweb, criminal gangs etc), and unnamed sources quoting a police investigation. But that sort of thing sells newspapers. There didn't appear to be anything about the French state taking specific action (eg passing a law) against Graphene.

If they consider the country is making laws they can't accept, then the honourable thing is to no longer allow participation within that country.

The honourable thing?

More importantly this is the smart choice, the only thing, to do: Shake the dust from your sandals, walk away, don't look back.

This is the ongoing horror of the overbearing state, which wants to rule efficiently by knowing everything that everybody is doing all the time. Those who focus on and value law enforcement before freedom.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by bigfatkitten »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #42
perihelions wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Particularité de GraphèneOS : on peut se le procurer autant sur le darknet que sur des sites grand public." ⇒ "A distinctive feature of GrapheneOS is that it can be obtained both on the darknet and on mainstream websites."

You could probably get normal android roms on the darknet also. Maybe not a good idea, but this is not unique to grapheneos.

You can get Windows ISOs from the dark web. Maybe they’ll shut down Microsoft next.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by potatopan »

danparsonson wrote: post #38
max_ wrote: post #19

This hostility towards privacy all over the world signals that there is a co-ordinated change happening in the world. Unfortunately we still don't know what it is or what its goals are.

Authoritarianism is doing well all over; it doesn't have to be deliberately coordinated, so much as people being basically the same everywhere, and the world sharing some serious problems. What works in one country works in almost any other.

On the one hand this its true that monkey see means monkey can do.. On the other, all the nationalists started meeting up with each other internationally and in public because hypocritical cynicism is apparently so hot now that you can be a xenophobe who worships foreigners as long as they are more impressive xenophobes.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by metadope »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #39

Since smartphones were invented, seizing a persons phone and going through their private life on it has become a substitute for real police work. Of course they will hate it if a particular OS and phone combination make this impossible.

I confess I haven't paid much attention to privacy issues in my laziness and indifference over the years. But as I witness the development of escalating violations of personal space and the invasive seizures of sensitive data by corporations and governments and random script kiddies employed for their demolition skills, I am resolving, here and now, to stop shaking my fist at the clouds and yelling to Get Off My Lawn.

Coincidentally, I just bought an old Pixel on eBay today. Because it had GrapheneOS already installed.

My interest in privacy is growing, but I confess I was mostly motivated by an admiration for the GrapheneOS project... They're really good at what they're doing, and they are swamped with work, and attacked by bots, weirdos and authoritarian speculators.

And, because I want to sport that monochromatic minimalist interface. Maybe I'll come out of my cocoon to pitch in.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by charcircuit »

neilv wrote: post #51

> > I am preparing an article on the use of your secure personal data phone solution by drug traffickers and other criminals. I think GrapheneOS needs a really good PR expert volunteer, or funding to pay for a non-volunteer. My non-PR-expert guesses are... If the journalist is in bad faith or flaky, that might need to be handled. But if the journalist is in good faith, this might be an opportunity, to promote Graphen…

No, one should never ever talk to journalists. Nothing good can come from it. Never assume good faith from journalists.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by [deleted] »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #25

GrapheneOS is a project with really good intentions, and we should definitely give them credit. But here’s the thing: criminals end up exploiting tech like this, and that makes the project an easy target for law enforcement. We’ve seen the exact same thing happen with crypto. We need to just accept that any technology designed for security and privacy is always going to be a double-edged sword.

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