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Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by summermusic »

jmward01 wrote: post #4

Watching hypervisors slowly improve over the last few years has been amazing. They aren't quite to the point that I will install them under any new hardware I buy and then put my daily driver OS on top, but they are very close. I think a strong focus on creating 'the OS under your OS' experience seamless could open up a lot more here.

I have a PC where I installed Proxmox on bare metal and put a daily-use desktop OS on top. It works surprisingly well, the trickiest part was making sure the desktop OS took control of video/audio/peripherals.

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by auguzanellato »

spants wrote: post #41
gigel82 wrote: post #33

What is this "application containers" BS, just add native docker stack support. Most folks in the self hosting community already deploy nested dockers in LXCs, just add native support so we can cut out the middle man and squeeze out that indirection.

docker errors or escapes taking down the root system? Not for me....

Docker is mostly based on the same stuff that LXC uses under the hood.

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by SteveNuts »

whalesalad wrote: post #48
SteveNuts wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, that works if you want to have converged storage in your hypervisors, but most large VMWare deployments I've seen use external storage from remote arrays.

Proxmox works fine with iSCSI.

Shared across a cluster of multiple hosts, such that you can hot migrate VMs? I am not aware of that being possible in Proxmox the same way you can in VMware with VMFS.

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by luma »

nyrikki wrote: post #42
luma wrote: post #12

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Talking to midmarket and enterprise customers and nobody is taking Proxmox seriously quite yet, I think due to concerns around support availability and long term viability. Hyper-V and Azure Local come up a lot in these conversations if you run a lot of Windows (Healthcare in the US is nearly entirely Windows based). Have some folks kicking tires on OpenShift, which is a HEAVY lift and not much less expensive than mo…

HPE VM Essentials and Proxmox are just UI/wrappers/+ on top of kvm/virsh/libvirt for the virtualization side. You can grow out of either by just moving to self hosted, or you can avoid both for the virtualization part if you don't care about the VMware like GUI if you are an automation focused company. If we could do it 20 years ago once VT-x for production Oracle EBS instances for a smaller but publicly traded compa…

KVM is awesome enough that there isn’t a lot of room left to differentiate at the hypervisor level. Now the problem is dealing with thousands of the things, so it’s the management layer where the product space is competing.

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by throw0101c »

whalesalad wrote: post #31
SteveNuts wrote: post #30

The only thing missing making Proxmox difficult in traditional environment is a replacement for VMware's VMFS (cluster aware VM file system). Lots and lots of organizations already have SAN/storage fabric networks presenting block storage over the network which was heavily used for VMware environments. You could use NFS if your arrays support it, but MPIO block storage via iscsi is ubiquitous in my experience.

The Proxmox answer to this is Ceph - https://ceph.io/en/

> The Proxmox answer to this is Ceph - https://ceph.io/en/

And how does Ceph/RBD work over Fibre Channel SANs? (Speaking as someone who is running Proxmox-Ceph (and at another gig did OpenStack-Ceph).)

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by throw0101c »

unethical_ban wrote: post #23
Semaphor wrote: post #13

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GPU passthrough works fine? I use that for transcoding in Jellyfin.

I don't remember if I tried and failed, or if it seemed too much for me... I have an Arc A series; if you have a verified guide I would like to take a look!

Some folks got Intel Arc working:

* https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/pci-passthrough-arc-a380-i...

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by skibbityboop »

SteveNuts wrote: post #54
whalesalad wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proxmox works fine with iSCSI.

Shared across a cluster of multiple hosts, such that you can hot migrate VMs? I am not aware of that being possible in Proxmox the same way you can in VMware with VMFS.

It's not like VMFS (not a cluster filesystem), for Proxmox+iSCSI you get a large LVM PV that gets sliced up into volumes for your VMs. All of your Proxmox nodes are connected to that same LVM PV and you can live migrate your VMs around all you wish, have HA policies so if a node dies its VMs start up right away on a surviving node, etc.

You lose snapshots (but can have your SAN doing snaps, of course) and a few other small things I can't recall right now, but overall it works great. Have had zero troubles.

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