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Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by j45 »

charcircuit wrote: post #26
m4rtink wrote: post #24

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How is Postmarket OS antiquated ? Its just a standard Linux distro (unlike anything Android based).

At least in regards to the security model, it is decades out of date. For example any app can listen to your microphone and spy on you at anytime. Programs can act as ransomeware or destroy all of your files. Stealers can steal your login credentials and access tokens for all your sites including banking ones.

Meaning, it's a way to keep old hardware running linux instead of being a phone.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by exe34 »

miroljub wrote: post #48
exe34 wrote: post #37

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How about calling the other one "installing from the play store"? installing was there first.

Exactly. Let's invent a word for "installing from play store". Playstoring? So we can rewrite the story to something like: Google wants to prohibit app installation on Android phones. The only way to get an app would be through playstoring.

how about "dogmatize" - I dogmatized this app from the play store.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by seba_dos1 »

charcircuit wrote: post #26
m4rtink wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Postmarket OS antiquated ? Its just a standard Linux distro (unlike anything Android based).

At least in regards to the security model, it is decades out of date. For example any app can listen to your microphone and spy on you at anytime. Programs can act as ransomeware or destroy all of your files. Stealers can steal your login credentials and access tokens for all your sites including banking ones.

...except in virtually any case where you'd run something untrusted there you'd use Flatpak or something similar where what you wrote doesn't apply.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by slightwinder »

geokon wrote: post #28
24t wrote: post #17

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> sideloading It's called installing. Language matters and I see no reason to concede this point in Google's favour.

Doesn't feel like any conspiracy.. Isn't sideloading installing through adb instead of from the system itself? (by clicking on an APK or using an app Store like Xiaomi/Googled/Huawei/Fdroid) "Side" being.. from your computer

No, on android, it always meant installing an APK directly, without a store-app. You can use ADB, but you also can just download the APK on your device and install it locally with your browser or filemanager.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by graemep »

griffzhowl wrote: post #40
24t wrote: post #17

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> sideloading It's called installing. Language matters and I see no reason to concede this point in Google's favour.

I agree with the ethos but "banning installing" wouldn't have been correct here. There should be terminology for installing from the source of your choice which doesn't carry the marginal or sinister connotations of "sideloading" though. "Freeloading" would have been a good one but... yeah

"Freely installing"?

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by engeljohnb »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #49
engeljohnb wrote: post #36

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I can install on my Fedora laptop through dnf. I've never felt like I needed a new word to describe downloading and running an AppImage. Why would phones be different?

well because its not allowed to "install" from third party sources (atleast not yet) google has control on their android ecosystem behave, same reason why its not allowed in playstation or xbox or ios

The whole selling point of Android up until now was that it allowed you to install any app you want.

The point of the above comment is that Google intentionally introduced the word "sideload" to make "installing an app on your own device which Google did not curate" sound more risky and sinister than it is, and I'm inclined to agree.

I "make" coffee on my keurig. If Keurig decides that making any single-serve coffe pods that aren't owned by the Keurig brand is now called "off-brewing," I'd dismiss it as ridiculous and continue calling it "making coffee."

We should use the language that makes sense, not the language that happens be good PR for google.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by hexagonwin »

mschuster91 wrote: post #44
mjg59 wrote: post #5

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There's a lot of UEFI in the phone ecosystem, it's not the BIOS later that's missing - it's the ACPI layer.

I've never seen UEFI in any mainstream Android device. The problem is... in the x86 world, even the most modern systems around still ship with decades of garbage. INT 10h and VBE, every x86 system still speaks it - either directly in the card, or emulated in BIOS/UEFI compatibility layers, so even a basic "hello world" can get video output, 09h/16h gives you keyboard input, 13h gives you disk I/O, 14h a serial port.…

isn't uefi used for all the modern qcom devices..?

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by tonyhart7 »

engeljohnb wrote: post #57
tonyhart7 wrote: post #49

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well because its not allowed to "install" from third party sources (atleast not yet) google has control on their android ecosystem behave, same reason why its not allowed in playstation or xbox or ios

The whole selling point of Android up until now was that it allowed you to install any app you want. The point of the above comment is that Google intentionally introduced the word "sideload" to make "installing an app on your own device which Google did not curate" sound more risky and sinister than it is, and I'm inclined to agree. I "make" coffee on my keurig. If Keurig decides that making any single-serve coffe p…

"The whole selling point of Android up until now was that it allowed you to install any app you want."

we can debate whether this is bad thing or good thing, it would have no ends

what matters is reality, the reality is google have the right to change it.

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