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Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by Retric »

mattmaroon wrote: post #34
bad_haircut72 wrote: post #18

Its obviously not as dire (yet) but I think Texas will face something like this in the coming decades. Its the kind of problem that requires people at all levels of society to cooperate and sacrifice - farmers & businesses need to draw less, people need to use less and government needs intelligent and actionable policy, plus big investment into unsexy and invisble infrastructure upgrades - so basically we're screwed.

The American Southwest needs to get started on desalination. It’s the only long term answer we have now, know works, and is at least within shooting distance of cost-feasible.

If you own water rights, selling them to a city at near desalination rates is way more profitable than farming.

So desalination only makes economic sense after removing all farms from an area.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by DANmode »

mkoubaa wrote: post #42
Forgeties79 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t imagine the various legislatures in several “highly skeptical” states that are either considering or have already implemented “no chemtrails” and fluoride laws are going to find it easy to convince people to allow cloud seeding. Pretty sure Tennessee already preemptively banned it.

Nothing a golf course ban couldn't reverse

Are you sure?

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by lithocarpus »

giggyhack wrote: post #32
calebm wrote: post #10

"Cloud seeding involves spraying particles such as silver iodide and salt into clouds from aircraft to trigger rain." So... chemtrails?

Weather modification has been a well understood, but not particularly effective program that has been run in various places across the US for decades. The main difference with chemtrails is that those are a bunch of nonsense conspiracy theories that assume that the government is trying to do widespread mind control. Weather modification is just trying to get it rain to rain a tiny bit more, with limited success. http…

Really?

All this time the chemtrail people I know have been talking about weather control, I hadn't heard of mind control being part of it.

My take has been yeah I know cloud seeding and solar geoenhineering is real, ergo some amount of chemtrails are "real" in that they are deliberate particulate being sprayed and not just water. While the thing the chemtrail people claim that seems dubious is the scale and other nuances - claiming that all contrails are chemtrails. It's the scale that we don't know and that I assume it's pretty small because it seems expensive and pointless to do it constantly. But I don't know how I could ascertain the scale at which it's done either.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by ants_everywhere »

a2tech wrote: post #7
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #6

Earlier today I watched a video[0] that helped contextualize the water situation in Iran. The key takeaway for me was that Iran has been rapidly depleting their water reserves and they don't have any ways to quickly refill them, nor do they have treaties with neighboring countries to guarantee water. That video doesn't mention cloud seeding at all. How should we think about cloud seeding? Does this technology actuall…

I assume marketing. I’m wondering what will happen when they force the afghan refugees back over the border into Afghanistan since they don’t have the water to give them. Climate change and bad decisions from the last 50 years are starting to bite now. It’ll just get worse. Expect migrations and countries collapsing as millions of people are pushed to migrate for survival.

> Climate change and bad decisions from the last 50 years are starting to bite now. It’ll just get worse. Expect migrations and countries collapsing as millions of people are pushed to migrate for survival.

For those unfamiliar, climate change and drought are believed to be one of the major causes of the bronze age civilization collapse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse#Droug...

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by DANmode »

paxys wrote: post #2

Has this ever been proven to actually work?

The Chinese pretty blatantly used it to tailor things for their Olympics.

I’m a little surprised how this has gone under the radar,

considering the black box “effing with the weather cycles” truly is.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by energy123 »

nashashmi wrote: post #23
sva_ wrote: post #17

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This is quite a distortion of the facts to push an agenda.

Desalination technology can solve their problems completely, but they armed proxies that attacked the two countries in the region (Saudi Arabia and Israel) that can help them.

They also imprisoned the one qualified guy in their country who blew the whistle on their water mismanagement (e.g. farming water intensive crops in a desert), Dr. Madani.

You could read the Wikipedia page to learn the other man-made reasons behind this crisis. That's preferable than coming here to play defense for a corrupt theocracy. Not that I doubt that climate change is one of the causes.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by nozzlegear »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #49
sva_ wrote: post #17

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> There are innocent people being killed (15K+) on both sides of the Ukraine conflict.

But it's more than a little lopsided, and there's only one aggressor in the war – one who could choose to end it at any time.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by Redster »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #38
bad_haircut72 wrote: post #18

Its obviously not as dire (yet) but I think Texas will face something like this in the coming decades. Its the kind of problem that requires people at all levels of society to cooperate and sacrifice - farmers & businesses need to draw less, people need to use less and government needs intelligent and actionable policy, plus big investment into unsexy and invisble infrastructure upgrades - so basically we're screwed.

I can’t imagine the various legislatures in several “highly skeptical” states that are either considering or have already implemented “no chemtrails” and fluoride laws are going to find it easy to convince people to allow cloud seeding. Pretty sure Tennessee already preemptively banned it.

Yes, TN did pass that. Much of TN (especially around the capital) is temperate rainforest, so I imagine the lawmakers perceived downsides, but not upsides. Unfortunately, there is conflation or confusion between cloudseeding and sunlight reflection methods.

I hope to see this legislation in TN changed to allow cloudseeding.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by bombcar »

rectang wrote: post #43
bad_haircut72 wrote: post #18

Its obviously not as dire (yet) but I think Texas will face something like this in the coming decades. Its the kind of problem that requires people at all levels of society to cooperate and sacrifice - farmers & businesses need to draw less, people need to use less and government needs intelligent and actionable policy, plus big investment into unsexy and invisble infrastructure upgrades - so basically we're screwed.

Those of us who live in other states also have to prepare for the refugees fleeing ruined lands who will bring their destructive ideology with them.

It’s so lucky that even though refugees from other states bring negative consequences at least refugees from other countries don’t.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by perhonen »

unwise-exe wrote: post #36
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #6

Earlier today I watched a video[0] that helped contextualize the water situation in Iran. The key takeaway for me was that Iran has been rapidly depleting their water reserves and they don't have any ways to quickly refill them, nor do they have treaties with neighboring countries to guarantee water. That video doesn't mention cloud seeding at all. How should we think about cloud seeding? Does this technology actuall…

>>> How should we think about cloud seeding? It's a way to take someone else's rain.

who owns the rain? what if it was just going to fall in the oceans?
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