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Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by enraged_camel »

grumblingdev wrote: post #21

Yes!!! Such great news. Apple has really gone to shit. I am confronted by Apple performance and bug pain every hour of my life. I always think: how can someone think this is acceptable? Steve Jobs wouldn’t. Everything is such trash I could go on for hours. I realized a long time ago that if the person at the top doesn’t care then no one will. It seems hard to believe but it makes sense when you consider individual in…

I don’t know man. I got an Intel 7700K when it first came out, and six years later it was struggling with modern day workloads. I didn’t blame Intel or Microsoft, I just upgraded and my performance problems went away. Not sure why Apple is held to different standards.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by welks »

gyomu wrote: post #18
ryandrake wrote: post #13

Cook's been great for massively scaling Apple (and its stock price) up, but the art, vision, and soul of the company is gone. It's just a stock price maximizing lawnmower now, just like every other corporate stock price maximizing lawnmower. If that's what shareholders want, fine, I guess. But I'd be bored just manufacturing the same boring rectangles every year. I think Steve would have been, too.

Steve wanted to become chairman of the board and teach at Stanford. Given how much he trusted Tim, I’m not so sure the company would have taken a dramatically different path had he been around longer.

If he hadn't tried to self-treat his cancer with acupuncture, fruit juice and herbs, he'd probably be around now to do that. The man was clearly a lucky idiot, and shouldn't be revered, but used as a cautionary tale of unbridled arrogance.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by kranke155 »

bigyabai wrote: post #44
coconut08 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

their software is not great but they literally make the best hardware on the planet right now. you don't get to being a 4 trillion dollar market cap by being trash. they must be doing something right.

Second-best, according to the stock market. They must be getting something wrong if 4.5 trillion in market cap is sitting around waiting to be eaten. By Apple's arch-enemy, no less.

Nvidia is more an industrial B2B business now.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by JKCalhoun »

sharts wrote: post #25
wk_end wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Listen, I don't really like the direction Apple has taken either, but since Tim Cook became CEO of Apple in August 2011 the company's stock went from like $15 to like $275; it had a value of $400 billion and now it's worth $4 trillion, ten times as much. Any characterization of him as some kind of failure who killed Apple ("once the biggest tech company on the planet", "isn't growing", "only saved"...) is completely…

How can we be sure this is specifically due to Cook and not the ecosystem overall? A lot has changed since 2011. Some was likely Cook continuing execution of things lined up by Jobs. Some could just be tech sector in general, etc.

In some ways it doesn't matter. A bad CEO would have fucked up the ecosystem.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by bigyabai »

kranke155 wrote: post #53
bigyabai wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Second-best, according to the stock market. They must be getting something wrong if 4.5 trillion in market cap is sitting around waiting to be eaten. By Apple's arch-enemy, no less.

Nvidia is more an industrial B2B business now.

So is Microsoft, arguably. They're valued at $3.5 trillion right now.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by gsharma »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #22
827a wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ternus is the leading candidate; VP of Hardware Engineering. He was very likely more directly responsible than Cook for all the things you liked about Cook's Apple. My fear for Apple right now is how most decisions they make appear to incentivize them toward becoming a perpetual middle-man in all aspects of your interactions with their products. They don't manufacture much of anything anymore; its on-contract. They d…

Wait, Apple Pay Google for search?

No, it’s the other way around. Comment above is confused about the relationship.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by rkomorn »

grumblingdev wrote: post #21

Yes!!! Such great news. Apple has really gone to shit. I am confronted by Apple performance and bug pain every hour of my life. I always think: how can someone think this is acceptable? Steve Jobs wouldn’t. Everything is such trash I could go on for hours. I realized a long time ago that if the person at the top doesn’t care then no one will. It seems hard to believe but it makes sense when you consider individual in…

> I always think: how can someone think this is acceptable? Steve Jobs wouldn’t.

The same Steve Jobs that was at Apple when it made the puck mouse? The overheating Intel laptops of the mid 2000s? The "you're holding it wrong" iPhone? The "unusably slow after two years" 11in MBA? The Cube?

He wouldn't what, exactly?

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by steve-atx-7600 »

welks wrote: post #52
gyomu wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve wanted to become chairman of the board and teach at Stanford. Given how much he trusted Tim, I’m not so sure the company would have taken a dramatically different path had he been around longer.

If he hadn't tried to self-treat his cancer with acupuncture, fruit juice and herbs, he'd probably be around now to do that. The man was clearly a lucky idiot, and shouldn't be revered, but used as a cautionary tale of unbridled arrogance.

A person should be judged by a stupid decision they made? I hope you never did anything that wasn't rational.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by steve-atx-7600 »

tptacek wrote: post #34
ryandrake wrote: post #13

Cook's been great for massively scaling Apple (and its stock price) up, but the art, vision, and soul of the company is gone. It's just a stock price maximizing lawnmower now, just like every other corporate stock price maximizing lawnmower. If that's what shareholders want, fine, I guess. But I'd be bored just manufacturing the same boring rectangles every year. I think Steve would have been, too.

I couldn't disagree more. Some of the worst Apple computers I've owned date to the Jobs era. All of the best have been from the Cook era. Apple Silicon has been an enormous success. (My first Apple was a TiBook, for what it's worth.)

What was different in the jobs era were the goals and trajectory toward achieving them. The tibook was just a first step.
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