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Re: Reservoir: Smart electric water heater

#51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's comparing it to EV charging. I expect part of the point of the linked study is to examine readiness as more people adopt EVs. With the heavy use of direct combustion for home heating in the US, heating wouldn't be hugely interesting in that context. I consume more natural gas for heating each month in the winter than I do for hot water annually.

> It's comparing it to EV charging "Space heating" is also on the same graph, and it's nearly 1-to-1 with water heating. Which seems odd

Yeah, I expect that's small portable heaters rather than whole house.

Re: Reservoir: Smart electric water heater

#52
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two reasons I decided not to go with tankless: 1. Can’t have recirculation pump to supply hot water instantly throughout the whole house. 2. Significantly higher energy bill compared to heat pump. An additional bonus is the heat pump cools my garage in the summer.

1 sounds like a huge inefficiency?

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Re: Reservoir: Smart electric water heater

#53
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Interesting but federal tax credits for heat pump water heaters is ending next month [1]. It looks nice though. For people wondering what's up with the "150 gal virtual" capacity, it's actually a 47 gal water heater but it heats water to a really high temperature (if needed) and mixes it with a thermostatic valve to output the desired temperature. For example if cold water was 15 degrees C and you want the hot water…

They must be doing something different to get that much capacity. There’s a bunch of water heaters with mixing valves but they don’t talk about that much capacity. What worries me is, doesn’t higher temperature make your tank rust faster?

> They must be doing something different to get that much capacity.

Yeah, they put the word 'virtual' in front.

Re: Reservoir: Smart electric water heater

#54

Pretty cool. Reminds me of Impulse. I think there's a big market for home appliances that have more care and attention to detail than we're accustomed to. No one I know is overly satisfied with their water heater.

we don't know one another, but we have one of these, and it kicks ass.

https://www.navieninc.com

it's a tankless natural gas heater in our case, heats endlessly so there's no sense of virtual tank capacity.

Re: Reservoir: Smart electric water heater

#55
post #47
post #3

Interesting but federal tax credits for heat pump water heaters is ending next month [1]. It looks nice though. For people wondering what's up with the "150 gal virtual" capacity, it's actually a 47 gal water heater but it heats water to a really high temperature (if needed) and mixes it with a thermostatic valve to output the desired temperature. For example if cold water was 15 degrees C and you want the hot water…

I had one of these types of water heaters in an old apartment. Thing worked kinda okay-ish? The main issue was that it was electric and if you used the hot water for really any time at all (bath, dishwasher) then it would pop the fuse from current draws and overheating. Likely this was some issue with the water heater and the electrical system of the apartment. Still, really annoying when half way through your bath,…

Sounds like you're using a totally different type of water heater (tankless) and not a heat pump water heater (which has a tank, so even if the fuse pops, the water won't get cold instantly).

Re: Reservoir: Smart electric water heater

#56
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Not interested until it can also show ads.

You are thinking too simple. Isn't more obvious option to tie ad-views to hot water flow? So it might stop hot water when you are in shower until you have watched enough ads. Just think of monetization opportunities!

Re: Reservoir: Smart electric water heater

#58

The pricing page does not make it clear how much the actual unit costs, just $6500 with installation. Never purchased a water heater, but going to Home Depot, I see traditional options priced $500-$2000. Which says you are putting up a high upfront cost, hoping to recoup on increased efficiency. Which could be worthwhile, but you would have to run some simulations if the price is worthwhile. Seems potentially easier…

I don't expect this unit to be much more efficient than a $1800 home depot heat pump water heater. On the other hand, installation seems to include a hot water return line and return pump (the pump itself would be another $300 on home depot), and I've been quoted around $1000-2000 in labor to install plumbing like that.

Re: Reservoir: Smart electric water heater

#59
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had one of these types of water heaters in an old apartment. Thing worked kinda okay-ish? The main issue was that it was electric and if you used the hot water for really any time at all (bath, dishwasher) then it would pop the fuse from current draws and overheating. Likely this was some issue with the water heater and the electrical system of the apartment. Still, really annoying when half way through your bath,…

Sounds like you're using a totally different type of water heater (tankless) and not a heat pump water heater (which has a tank, so even if the fuse pops, the water won't get cold instantly).

Nah, same type. The tank was about half the size of a normal one. The water didn't get cold, just not as hot as I'd liked it to be.

Re: Reservoir: Smart electric water heater

#60
post #7
post #3

Interesting but federal tax credits for heat pump water heaters is ending next month [1]. It looks nice though. For people wondering what's up with the "150 gal virtual" capacity, it's actually a 47 gal water heater but it heats water to a really high temperature (if needed) and mixes it with a thermostatic valve to output the desired temperature. For example if cold water was 15 degrees C and you want the hot water…

Yeah this sounds disingenuous. I can also see my heater to 70C if I want, that does not increase its size...

Why do you care what size it is though? It's only the capacity that matters. For example a tankless only has a few gallons inside, but that doesn't limit how long of a shower you can take.
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