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Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by nerdjon »

baggy_trough wrote: post #38
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to show ID to vote in my country, I thought that was the normal thing.

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Very very few people actually fundamentally disagree with the core idea of identification to vote.

The problem is the act of getting the ID itself. In most (all?) states getting an ID is not free, takes time, and if you lost everything will require jumping through a lot of hoops.

If getting an ID was actually simple, free, and not time consuming than we could have a genuine discussion about ID requirements. But until that point it is very thinly veiled classism and racism.

Also the numbers just simply don't back up this being a serious issue to begin with.

TLDR: Fix the fundamental issues with having identification in the first place and we can talk.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by lvl155 »

I am against digital IDs. There’s a reason why security-minded people carry around physical hardware keys. The fact that Apple remains a black box company means I can’t trust them now and definitely not later when their changing financial circumstances COULD jeopardize management decisions and commitment to privacy.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by mystifyingpoi »

willio58 wrote: post #4

I’m still waiting for the day where 100% of state drivers licenses are supported in wallet and anyone requesting ID are required to accept them. Quite literally the only reason I have a wallet these days is for the drivers license.

Geniuine question, why can't you just have your license in your car at all times?

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by barbazoo »

magnetic wrote: post #49
barbazoo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They can hold onto it, and never return it. They can deface it. All of that is a possibility. But they can't potentially look at your banking app, read private notes, messages and emails, operate your home automation, look at your calendar, etc. if all they have is a plastic card.

They can't do that either with Wallet items. That's kind of the point: you can hand over your phone with a wallet item "unlocked" and visible on the screen, and that's all they'll have access to.

Sure but then you've already given them your phone after which you don't know what happens. Plus it's a lot of leverage for them to have it, e.g. "unlock or you won't get it back".

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by kkfx »

No thanks. It's 2025, identity needs to be resilient, so having a national public blockchain that every public administration entity, every private who wants to participate, compensated for the IT resources they provide, whether a citizen or a business maintains well, that makes sense. The fingerprint of a key is shared, this key is on a smart-card, therefore offline, on well-known (bank cards, SIM cards) proven and reliable platforms, and signs what is needed with zk proofs where required.

Identity on mobile, proprietary platforms, whose level of complexity makes it humanly impossible to understand them even for governments themselves, notoriously closely monitored and yet with a long history of bugs and problems, is UNACCEPTABLE.

It's time to understand that IT is the nervous system of society and that public information must be public, for everyone, not for a specific actor and with no specific actor being "more equal" than others.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by barbazoo »

pkolaczk wrote: post #32
barbazoo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... for U.S. passports.

We don’t need it in Poland. We’ve been using a similar but official government issued app with ID, driving license, car documents for years now. Works both on Android and iPhone. Can be also used for logging into government web apps like taxes, for document signing or for voting. And it reminds me whenever my car insurance expires or it needs the annual check. Pretty impressive IMHO.

I was thinking of US permanent residents that have an interest in this but no US passport.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by iamnothere »

magnetic wrote: post #49
barbazoo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They can hold onto it, and never return it. They can deface it. All of that is a possibility. But they can't potentially look at your banking app, read private notes, messages and emails, operate your home automation, look at your calendar, etc. if all they have is a plastic card.

They can't do that either with Wallet items. That's kind of the point: you can hand over your phone with a wallet item "unlocked" and visible on the screen, and that's all they'll have access to.

Until they covertly plug it in to the Cellebrite unit back in the patrol car.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by EGreg »

astroflection wrote: post #11
willio58 wrote: post #4

I’m still waiting for the day where 100% of state drivers licenses are supported in wallet and anyone requesting ID are required to accept them. Quite literally the only reason I have a wallet these days is for the drivers license.

Nope. I will continue to have a DL card so I can choose to leave my phone at home. When we are required to have our IDs on our person at all times I can at least not be tracked everywhere I go. Be watchful for legislation requiring: * us to have our ID on our person at all times. * IDs to be issued in digital format only.

Very much, This! Up voted

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by watermelon0 »

stavros wrote: post #48
pat2man wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this apply to a digital version of an official government ID? The government already has all this data.

I didn't say anything about the data the government has or doesn't have. I'm talking about perfect enforcement. Try faking a digital ID.

We have this issue already with biometric passports and ID cards.
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