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Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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It's sad that many nihilists think like that life is meaningless, there's no point in trying. Nihilism suggests our lives don't have inherent purposes defined by religion or culture. That means we can define our own purposes and values of lives, not by following a god packaged with harmful commandments. Many people feel fulfilled when they notice small improvements or helping others for tiny things, and they're grateful for that. You can simply appreciate those feelings instead of being sarcastic.

Younger people tend to have nihilistic ideas like this. And it's understandable, because it's true that the reward for being hard working, loyal, or honest is decreasing, so we think why bother trying? But the decrease of those values is just a small amount at a time. It doesn't suddenly change life from are full of joy and meaning to a complete waste of air. You can still improve a lot of things by taking small effort. Not much as it was in many ways, and yes, definitely there are someone who are born lucky or can improve a lot with far less effort than you put in. But it's still possible.

I spent a lot of time thinking like this, but slowly realized I can make my life better just by trying. That time wasn't a waste cause it made me a little bit more sympathetic to others, but some people spend their entire lives in that way. It hurts them, and it's sad they miss the chance to improve a bit. It accumulates over years and decades, and ending in an unhappy and regretful life. We can't be the full potential version of ourselves without huge effort, but can still be much happier by a small, consistent effort over time.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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AI breaks old sources of meaning the same way Nietzsche said the death of God broke inherited morality. When external structures collapse (roles, labels, certainty), meaning has to be generated from within. Identity becomes what you return to repeatedly (actions, habits, resonance), not what you’re labeled as. Morality becomes drift-resilience — maintaining coherence when everything shifts. Nietzsche isn’t telling us…

My spidey sense is telling me an LLM was used in drafting this comment

They just use flowery language. Doesn't sound like an llm at all

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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post #51

It's sad that many nihilists think like that life is meaningless, there's no point in trying. Nihilism suggests our lives don't have inherent purposes defined by religion or culture. That means we can define our own purposes and values of lives, not by following a god packaged with harmful commandments. Many people feel fulfilled when they notice small improvements or helping others for tiny things, and they're grate…

The obvious problem with nihilism is that ultimately everything is ungrounded and there are no moral truths. Some people are naturally altruistic and feel fulfilled when helping others, others are naturally sadistic and feel fulfilled when torturing others. Nihilism means these are fundamentally equal impulses.

This is why humans invented various religious systems and philosophies to provide grounding for absolute moral beliefs. There's also probably an evolutionary factor at work, where nihilistic societies imploded or were outcompeted by confident cultures which believed absolute moralities. This is being seen today in Europe, with nihilistic progressives having few children, supporting mass migration, resulting in being demographically replaced by absolutist muslims.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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post #25

AI breaks old sources of meaning the same way Nietzsche said the death of God broke inherited morality. When external structures collapse (roles, labels, certainty), meaning has to be generated from within. Identity becomes what you return to repeatedly (actions, habits, resonance), not what you’re labeled as. Morality becomes drift-resilience — maintaining coherence when everything shifts. Nietzsche isn’t telling us…

My spidey sense is telling me an LLM was used in drafting this comment

Have we reached a point where a well written comment is suspect and we demand low effort replies for authentically?

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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“ The press, the machine, the railway, the telegraph are premises whose thousand-year conclusion no one has yet dared to draw.” https://www.nietzschefamilycircus.com/perm.php?c=101&q=127

I'd forgotten about that site!

I thought I'd seen it here but maybe not: Nietzsche Family Circus - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19287681 - March 2019 (2 comments)

It sort of reminds me of Werner Herzog Reads Curious George and/or Garfield minus Garfield.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Whoever wrote this article probably has little more than a cursory or highly aesthetecized understanding of Nietzsche’s philosophy. It feels like they just related his idea of value-creation to a bunch of pre-conceived purportedly “bad things” like lack of social cohesion. Most of his work deals with the psychological and historical origins of morality/philosophy, as well as how it might change as a result of herd dy…

> men just want to be safe, satiated, and friendly to each other

I would argue AI fundamentally changes nothing in this respect. I think what we all want is freedom of pursuit, which is afforded to all as a birthright. What we are so concerned with is everyone's starting lines, and those starting lines are the consequence of an unjust society. Rand said it best in The Fountainhead:

"Civilization is the process of setting man free from men."

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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I'm so torn about this article. On the one hand, it's great to see technologists engaging more with philosophy—arguably the technological landscape we currently have would h ave been much better if they had done so more deeply and more frequently. On the other hand, this is a pretty shallow article and does not, on my read, offer anything to anyone even vaguely familiar with technology and Nietzsche's philosophy. A m…

I hate to be the one to say this, but this article reads as though it was written by an LLM. The shallowness is one reason. Another is the lack of any individual voice that would suggest a human author. And there are the unsupported citations and references: The sentence “The World Economic Forum’s 2023 Future of Jobs report estimates 83 million jobs may be displaced globally, disproportionately affecting low- and mi…

I'm a member of the ACM, so I would report this article.

However, I think the author may just have made some mistakes and mixed up/-1'd their references, since the 2023 report is actually #2

2. Di Battista, A., Grayling, S., Hasselaar, E., Leopold, T., Li, R., Rayner, M. and Zahidi, S., 2023, November. Future of jobs report 2023. In World Economic Forum (pp. 978-2).

Similarly, Footnote 7 probably should probably point to #8

8. Nietzsche, F. and Hollingdale, R.J., 2020. Thus spoke zarathustra. In The Routledge Circus Studies Reader (pp. 461-466). Routledge.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as a random proposal, not even lightly thought out. In priority order with realistic exceptions: - do your best to be not dead, safe, and healthy for the next few years - do your best to make those around you not dead, safe, and healthy for the next few years - do your best to treat others around you how you would wish to be treated - do your best to treat others around you how THEY would wish to be treated.

So, the Golden Rule?

With the caveat of safety and well-being it is on the list. But note that it isn't the highest one.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Very generic weak article, as many others have said.

I spent a lot of time studying Nietzsche in college (while getting a degree in philosophy) and it is pretty annoying how the pop culture conception of his ideas has so little to do with what he actually wrote.

I think Nietzsche would find the “entrepreneurial” rebranding of his ideas to be irritating and frankly not the audience he wanted. He was writing for a very, very specific group of people, not a mass market in any sense. He doesn’t care about you losing your job because a robot took it, he is concerned with far more consequential and foundational issues. Nietzsche himself was very critical of “merchants” and technology more broadly, so I think he would find the idea of LLMs being treated as actual conscious entities to be a hilariously stupid joke, more indicative of how society’s standards have fallen than how high AI abilities have risen.

Anyway, rather than engage in a long comment on why Nietzsche would find this article annoying – I do think there is some value to be had in using AI tools as philosophical conversations.

Personally I’ve gotten a lot of value by proposing a certain book theme or argument to ChatGPT and critiquing it, exploring other books on the topic, and so on. Previously this required someone willing to sit and debate philosophical questions with you, which isn’t everyone’s favorite activity :)

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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post #51

It's sad that many nihilists think like that life is meaningless, there's no point in trying. Nihilism suggests our lives don't have inherent purposes defined by religion or culture. That means we can define our own purposes and values of lives, not by following a god packaged with harmful commandments. Many people feel fulfilled when they notice small improvements or helping others for tiny things, and they're grate…

The obvious problem with nihilism is that ultimately everything is ungrounded and there are no moral truths. Some people are naturally altruistic and feel fulfilled when helping others, others are naturally sadistic and feel fulfilled when torturing others. Nihilism means these are fundamentally equal impulses. This is why humans invented various religious systems and philosophies to provide grounding for absolute mo…

Yes, there are people who are sadistic but still fear divine punishment like karma or hell. And religion may be the best way to force them to stop harming others. But our society prioritise freedom. We don't arrest suspicious people without warrants, allow people secret and secure communication on the Internet (I mean I'm not sure those things will continue but still), and even freedom of religion itself. We should accept the risk of increased immoral activities due to not forcing people religious restriction just because they are born in such family or culture. And I think society collectively can have morals, especially we are financially and socially fulfilled. So we need to aim that direction, even though currently it's going to the opposite.

  with nihilistic progressives having few children, supporting mass migration
While it makes sense to think that nihilists don't value culture and don't mind mass migration, AFAIK most nihilistic communities are often racist. Actually most communities, including leftists, don't welcome immigrants. The only group is the rich and corporations who just want cheap labor while don't need to face cultural conflicts and deterioration of security. We can restrict migration and still treat current immigrants like humans by electing politicians who aren't sensationalists, greedy populists backed by corporations and continue mass migration after they grab the power.

  This is why humans invented various religious systems
BTW, I personally think the biggest factor for religion exploding, especially after social orders were developed and the gap between social classes were polarized, is the anger against unfairness and those exploiting others, manipulating social structures for personal gain, being assholes just because they were born lucky, and facing no consequence. It's almost impossible to see justice served, or be rewarded for living humble and honest life. So we needed to invent "heaven and hell", which brings justice for "us" and "them" after death.
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