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I guess. But I doubt openai will change its behaviour due to this.
Do you think that the German courts will just shrug and accept noncompliance with a court order?
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#52I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.
It doesn't appear that modern LLMs are really that hard to build, expensive perhaps, but if you have monopoly on a large enough market, price isn't really your main concern.
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I would imagine providers who want to comply will scan the LLM's output and pay a license fee to the owner if it contains lyrics.
They scan for commercial work already. Isn’t the law about training, not output?
But I'd be surprised if that was generally the case. It's easy to see why ChatGPT 1:1 reproducing a song's lyrics would be a copyright issue. But creating a derivative work based on the song?
What if I made a website that counts the number of alliterations in certain songs' lyrics? Would that be copyright infringement, because my algorithm uses the original lyrics to derive its output?
If this ruling really applied to any alogrithm deriving content from copyright protected works, it would be pretty absurd.
But absurd copyright laws would be nothing new, so I won't discount the possibility.
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#54With AI slop showing up everywhere, there’s a real danger that folks will just no longer be motivated to produce real original content. With all major models not basically trained on nearly all available data, beyond the financial AI bubble about to burst there’s also a big content bubble that’s about exhausted as folks are just pumping out slop vs producing original creative human output. That may be the ultimate lo…
> Expect “made by a human” to soon be a tag associated with premium brands and customer experiences. I went to a grammar school and I write in mostly pretty high-quality sentences with a bit of British English colloquialism. I spell well, spend time thinking about what I am saying and try to speak clearly, etc. I've always tried to be kind about people making errors but I am currently retraining my mind to see spelli…
Just wait a few more years until the majority of ChatGPT training data is filled with misspellings, accidental eggcorns, malapropisms and terrible grammar.
That, and AI slop itself.
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#56Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules
#57I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.
> I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace They're not saying no LLMs, they're saying no LLMs using lyrics without a license. OpenAI simply need to pay for a license, or train an LLM without using lyrics.
Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules
#58I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.
> I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace They're not saying no LLMs, they're saying no LLMs using lyrics without a license. OpenAI simply need to pay for a license, or train an LLM without using lyrics.
They already "filter" the code to prevent it from happening (reproducing exact works). My guess it is just superficially changing things around so it is harder to prove copyright violations.
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#59While I partially understand (but not support) the hate against AI due to possible plagiarism and "low effort generation" of works, think about the whole process: If model providers will be liable for generating output, that resembles lyrics or very short texts that fall under copyright laws, they will just change their business model. E.g. why offering lame chat agents as a service, when you can keep the value gener…
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