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Re: SoftBank sells its entire stake in Nvidia

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This should be the news of the day, or even should I say, the news of the last 3 years. The bubble is starting to crack.

There's no sign of cracking here: > SoftBank said Tuesday it has sold its entire stake in U.S. chipmaker Nvidia for $5.83 billion as the Japanese giant looks to capitalize its “all in” bet on ChatGPT maker OpenAI.

I think the gulf between what an entity does and what an entity says should at least form part of a measured response to that.

Re: SoftBank sells its entire stake in Nvidia

#52
post #4

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Softbank is likely in trouble and needs the cash or something.

SoftBank, according to its stock, is in the best shape ever. https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SFTBY/

And per the stock prices Tesla is worth more than every other car manufacturer ever, as well.

Until it wasn’t. Then it was again.

Either way, cash flow != stock price, not that SoftBank is in a ‘business’ that likely needs a lot of cash.

Maybe they just needed a new yacht?

Or need to bail out one of their investments?

Re: SoftBank sells its entire stake in Nvidia

#53

I'm sorry, why is this on Hacker News? I'm on investing subreddits all the time, and I'd expect it there. But I don't see how this is "anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity." If there wasn't an AI bubble narrative, then sure, this this would gratify my curiousity. But now I don't see it, not even in the most charitable way. I'm curious what the line of thinking is on how this does, in some way, gratifi…

Stock market is really, really interesting

I mean for me it is, but not in an intellectual sense. Don't get me wrong, there are some good articles on HN about HFT and the technicality of it, but this is just, I don't know. Why Softbank? Didn't other big investment banks/funds sold out of NVidia at some point? Cathy Wood maybe, at some point? Why wasn't that on HN?

Stock news is barely on HN.

Oh, wait, I guess I see it now. It is on HN way more frequently when it involves Big Tech. And NVidia is increasingly seen as part of that. It used to be FAANG but now it's the Magnificent 7. The bias shifted.

That'd make sense.

Re: SoftBank sells its entire stake in Nvidia

#55
post #47

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I would have thought that the OpenAI bet is way more risky, because if someone comes along with a better model it could really hurt OpenAI. NVIDIA seems harder to dethrone imo.

It's SoftBank though, weird risk taking investments seems to be their jam.

That's how you get to have $6B to throw around on just one part of one your strategies though to be fair.

Re: SoftBank sells its entire stake in Nvidia

#56

Note the first line: > SoftBank said Tuesday it has sold its entire stake in U.S. chipmaker Nvidia for $5.83 billion as the Japanese giant looks to capitalize its “all in” bet on ChatGPT maker OpenAI. They are switching gears, not exiting, folks.

the key is "looks to"

Softbank can also choose not to.

Re: SoftBank sells its entire stake in Nvidia

#57
post #49

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I would have thought that the OpenAI bet is way more risky, because if someone comes along with a better model it could really hurt OpenAI. NVIDIA seems harder to dethrone imo.

In many ways OpenAI is transitioning towards an end-user facing product business. They have by far the strongest brand among consumers and are positioning themselves to take on Google/Meta in the ad business. By proxy, having the strongest frontier model becomes less and less necessary for them and instead building a strong product by properly layering medium-strong models in a cost-efficient way is the priority.

It's hard to see how they become profitable enough to justify current valuations.

The numbers are just mind boggling even in the optimistic scenario.

Re: SoftBank sells its entire stake in Nvidia

#58
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would have thought that the OpenAI bet is way more risky, because if someone comes along with a better model it could really hurt OpenAI. NVIDIA seems harder to dethrone imo.

It's SoftBank though, weird risk taking investments seems to be their jam.

Yea, I was thinking the same thing.

Re: SoftBank sells its entire stake in Nvidia

#59
post #26

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Why are you assuming people around you automatically have the means and desire to invest their own money into risky financial instruments? This is so weird.

Risky? He said it's EXTREMELY likely. There's little risk. Margin loans are available.

It can be both, likely and risky, timing the market is one of the riskiest things one can do...

It's likely there will be another major stock market crash, it's part of the cycle, and will always happen in its current form, good luck finding a way to time it and make a huge profit though.

Re: SoftBank sells its entire stake in Nvidia

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post #59

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Risky? He said it's EXTREMELY likely. There's little risk. Margin loans are available.

It can be both, likely and risky, timing the market is one of the riskiest things one can do... It's likely there will be another major stock market crash, it's part of the cycle, and will always happen in its current form, good luck finding a way to time it and make a huge profit though.

Bold prediction, saying something might happen some time at some point in the future maybe but nobody knows when.
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