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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until someone you love gets abducted, and then you want them to be found right now .

There's a reason we don't have people recently affected by a tragedy write policy regarding that tragedy, in their heightened emotional state.

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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A little annoyed, this seems like is has nothing to do with the ICE arrests ... > The city suspended its Flock system because city officials could not guarantee they wouldn’t be forced to release data collected by those devices someday, she said. Key part is " someday ". Seems like the article is implying that flock may have shared this data with ICE which led to the arrests... but there is no proof supporting this..…

I think we need to revise our understanding of expectation of privacy. The 'you have no expectation of privacy when you are outside' bit was formed before we had everything recording us and before face recognition could track us. At the very least I think any kind of face recognition should require probable cause.

Its an interesting question indeed. You're saying there might be some expectation of privacy even in public?

The line here is a little different. I could point a camera out my window and record every license plate that drives by my house, and that would be allowed because its recording public activities, and the data I collect would be private—its mine from my camera.

The question here is if a public/government agency pays a private company to setup cameras in public, for the benefit of the public, then should that data collected by those cameras not also be public?

The courts seem to agree that it should be public, and I fail to see why it shouldn't be. Maybe I should read the opposition briefs on it.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reason we don't have people recently affected by a tragedy write policy regarding that tragedy, in their heightened emotional state.

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> So why is the city listening to hysterical idiots who assumed that ICE was accessing systems they weren't?

What have you heard or seen that gives you that impression?

According to the article “University of Washington researchers released a report Oct. 21 showing federal immigration agencies like ICE and Border Patrol had accessed the data of at least 18 Washington cities, often without their police departments’ knowing”

It seems plausible that the local government came to realize that unauthorized use of Flock data was happening elsewhere in the state and decided to act. These sort of privacy intrusions start off with the veneer of best intentions but when abuse is uncovered, people tend to get real.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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post #12

What did they think would happen? Installing surveillance systems to monitor people is acceptable, as long as they're only used against the majority? I don't understand the logic here.

You don't understand the logic of "there are some crime problems we're willing to accept more intrusions to solve than other crime problems?"

Seems like something virtually everyone believes, and all that changes is where they draw the line of balance between intrusion and safety.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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post #12

What did they think would happen? Installing surveillance systems to monitor people is acceptable, as long as they're only used against the majority? I don't understand the logic here.

you don't understand it or you don't agree with it?

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootless_cosmopolitan

> The term is considered to be an antisemitic trope

> common ancestry or heritage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil

> Blood and soil (German: Blut und Boden, pronounced [ˈbluːt ʊnt ˈboːdn̩] ⓘ) is a nationalist phrase and concept of a racially defined national body ("Blood") united with a settlement area ("Soil"). Originating in the German völkisch movement, it was used extensively by Nazi Germany

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Yeah, it's a nation. A nation of immigrants. Where did your great-great-great grandfather come from? Did he spontaneously erupt from this common ancestry and heritage that you speak of?
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