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European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by miohtama »

logifail wrote: post #17
Insanity wrote: post #5

It's a tricky balance to strike. I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race, and I do want them to be more competitive in the tech landscape. At the moment, EU really isn't competitive in tech (and neither in tech salaries) and it leads to a certain amount of 'brain drain' as people move abroad. So while I do understand the need for regulations, they shouldn't regulate themselves into irrelevance. I don't…

> I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race Unless something changes, that's going to continue :( According to Jensen Huang, "the AI race" will be determined primarily by the price of electricity.[0] Until very recently the EU stated that being carbon neutral by 2050 was of overriding importance[1]. Which is it? [0] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... [1] https://climate.ec.eur…

Finland, France and other countries can lower the price of electricity just by disconnecting neighbours like Germany from their grid.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by Arch-TK »

bootsmann wrote: post #20
logifail wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race Unless something changes, that's going to continue :( According to Jensen Huang, "the AI race" will be determined primarily by the price of electricity.[0] Until very recently the EU stated that being carbon neutral by 2050 was of overriding importance[1]. Which is it? [0] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... [1] https://climate.ec.eur…

Nuclear energy is carbon neutral according to the EU definition

Is it not? What is it instead? Carbon negative?

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by flir »

logifail wrote: post #41
flir wrote: post #18

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China's target is 2060.

> China's target is 2060 "China plans to keep building coal-fired power plants through 2027 in regions where they are needed to meet peak power demand or stabilise the grid, according to government guidelines" https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/china-...

And yet they used less coal in 2024 than they did in 2023.

Maybe it's just an economic downturn. But... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/26/china-breaks-m...

I just don't buy that carbon neutrality necessarily results in expensive electricity.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by miohtama »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #26

Biggest problem is you need two types economy at once. You need the big paradigm shifts that come from an innovation economy; for that, capital must flow easily, risk-taking (both companies and individuals) be rewarded not punished, and a stable job is kind of a bad thing (people get too comfortable).. Meanwhile in more mature sectors, job security (so people can have mortgages and families) and market stability shou…

No one can call software and AI mature, they are still innovating. We do not even know how they will look in give years. Premature regulation kills this innovation. Harms of AI are not the same as harms from traffic accidents.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by nuffisnuff9 »

impossiblefork wrote: post #4

It's really stupid that people imagine that the GDPR would hold back European AI. Seeing as the Americans firms have in fact rolled out their systems, it's unlikely to be a legal problem withe GDPR. Maybe copyright is a problem.That would have been a solved problem if that regulation requiring people to list their training data had been applied fully. This won't make any difference for AI and will reduce EU cohesion,…

Shared European value is a ridiculous concept

go outside and you will see people share almost nothing in common. It's ridiculous to pretend all people in europe agree on this matter, but nobody outside europe doing it.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by mrtksn »

mentalgear wrote: post #46
mrtksn wrote: post #35

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I don't think its about regulation, its the mindset. Since some time there's this trend of indie European developers with some who managed to make themselves a name like Peter Levels and be hosted on big podcasters and these people keep calling their projects "startups" and making about as much as a high street kebab shop(in this community they like to boost about their revenues). Levels is famous enough to be interv…

Levels is all hype, no depth. It’s absurd that he frames himself as somehow “disadvantaged” by the EU’s HPC access rules, when those systems are explicitly reserved for scientific research, not for cranking out AI avatars or the latest “AI-generated game” cash-grab. Complaining that you can’t use taxpayer-funded supercomputers for your next hype cycle isn’t a sign of innovation - it’s Levels' so often displayed self-…

Sure but he became the poster child of a certain trend. Besides, you can see the mentality all over the place.

Contrary to what the social media makes you believe, EU isn't run on tickets income for old building - the place is packed with high tech niche businesses but they don't seem to be interested much in scaling.

Even the Ruby on Rails guy, David Heinemeier Hansson, never went for dominating an industry, becoming a platform with investor money and become an Unicorn. They just keep making money. It's really cool, he loves his life and He's probably much happier than Zuck or Musk but with that approach you end up staying a niche instead of a behemoth like the American companies. In USA the instinct seems to be how to make this global and take all the money. The European approach is good for society IMHO, no enshitification once you circle the market however when your market is open to people who are willing to do the put a lot of money first, kill the competition be a monopoly or duopoly and then screw everyone and and make filthy level of money then you become one of those killed.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by paganel »

cbg0 wrote: post #50
paganel wrote: post #24

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You don't seem to understand what "dictatorship" actually means.

I think I do, as in I'm pretty sure I've never ever voted for this European Commission thing, neither has any other EU citizen that I know of, and yet they're running the whole show here in Europe. If if walks and quacks like a duck it most certainly is a duck. Granted, they don't have North Korea's interesting military parades, I'll give them that.

Later edit: I think you might me on the wrong understanding path by the so-called "democratic deficit" expression that is often-times used when referring to decision-making inside the EU (and hence to the European Commission, its executive arm), I think "dictatorship" does a much better job of telling things for what they really are.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by whimsicalism »

immibis wrote: post #47
whimsicalism wrote: post #19

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> Mostly ad market monopolies, then mostly massive-scale IP theft, etc. Good point. I think that the EU has an opportunity to really grow here by focusing on intellectual property enforcement, patents, copyright, and generally more strict enforcement on making sure returns for ideas go to the first person to think of them. The EU already has a pretty strong governance lead and should double down on where its strength…

Definitely! Preventing as much innovation as possible is always good for an economy.

Sorry, I think I saw a similar comment recently - did you pay royalties?

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by spwa4 »

Arch-TK wrote: post #52
bootsmann wrote: post #20

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Nuclear energy is carbon neutral according to the EU definition

Is it not? What is it instead? Carbon negative?

Greenpeace was founded to oppose nuclear energy, because it would lead to nuclear war (that was their position at least), which illustrates that, even now, nuclear power is considered not-green.

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Post by cbg0 »

paganel wrote: post #57
cbg0 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't seem to understand what "dictatorship" actually means.

I think I do, as in I'm pretty sure I've never ever voted for this European Commission thing, neither has any other EU citizen that I know of, and yet they're running the whole show here in Europe. If if walks and quacks like a duck it most certainly is a duck. Granted, they don't have North Korea's interesting military parades, I'll give them that. Later edit: I think you might me on the wrong understanding path by…

You've voted for the people who elect the European Commission, though I'm sure you know that, just conveniently decided to leave it out, you're a known troll on Reddit too.
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