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Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by arthurcolle »

cube00 wrote: post #9
margorczynski wrote: post #8

The most baffling thing is that even now the H1Bs, etc. are still pouring in. How can you say there is a shortage of IT talent and you need to import them where most grads can't find any work?

My company had an onshore hiring freeze, while still hiring offshore. C-suite had the nerve in an all hands to say they were expanding offshore because there was a "local talent shortage", all while an onshore hiring freeze was still in effect. This wasn't even a secret; in our stand ups our immediate manager said that they were blocked from hiring onshore and only had offshore quota available if they wanted any more…

Why are executives allowed to lie, and the rest of us have to just deal with it? At some point the chickens come home to roost

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by [deleted] »

asdfman123 wrote: post #41
margorczynski wrote: post #8

The most baffling thing is that even now the H1Bs, etc. are still pouring in. How can you say there is a shortage of IT talent and you need to import them where most grads can't find any work?

At Google they're building parallel teams in India right now. I feel like 20 years ago the cultural gap between an American an an Indian was too great for offshoring to be successful. Now, what's really different between myself and my counterpart in Mumbai? Many managers here are Indian anyway, lessening the culture gap still.

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Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by lvl155 »

Came out right after dotcom bust. It was really disappointing when I learned that corporate America simply moves on to the next graduating class. All the recruiting mechanisms in place means you’re going to get burned pretty bad if you miss that hiring wave. Some of my classmates took years to find something long term. You’re so much better off taking a year off from school to reset. As most things in life, timing is everything.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by gdulli »

margorczynski wrote: post #23
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they can't push their finger down a new grads throat if they push back. Someone who's families very presence in this country depends on their employer will rarely find a reason to complain about being overworked to the bone or told to do questionable things. H1B and other programs have a noble purpose that is often (but not always) abused to create loyal servants.

The allure for companies of exploiting H1Bs for cheaper and more effective labor I understand. But it is not companies who (at least officially) set the rules and laws regarding immigration. So the questions is why the government is not turning off the outside supply when there is an internal oversupply.

They stoke fear of immigrants to win elections, but to the extent that their donors want that labor, it will be allowed to continue.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by jackvalentine »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #4
GianFabien wrote: post #2

When you look beyond office jobs, you see many real opportunities. For example, there is a housing crisis. Not enough trades persons, building supplies, capital to solve that problem. The unemployment statistics aren't detailed enough to show IBM, MS, Facebook, Amazon, etc laying off tens of thousands of employees a year, each. Last I read, over 500,000 staff have been laid off in the past couple of years.

It's a good callout. Also important to note that ~4M Boomers retire a year, ~11k/day, ~2M people 55+ die every year, about half of which are in the labor force; that means ~13k-14k workers leave the labor force every day in the US, ~400k/month. There will be jobs, but also, it might take more time and energy to find them (~12 months vs ~6 months historically). Plan accordingly (structural living expenses, cash on han…

While ‘only’ twice as long to find a job, I get the feeling that it’s almost exponential in its impact the longer you stay unemployed.

Anyone got a way of characterising that?

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by etothepii »

> For most of the industrial era, you could assume that any large physical operation, like a warehouse, would need a certain number of human bodies to move boxes and drive forklifts.

Were there forklifts for most of the industrial era? Given they were invented in 1917 (according to ChatGPT), No.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is "playing by the rules" to get a career specific education.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by IdiocyInAction »

margorczynski wrote: post #8

The most baffling thing is that even now the H1Bs, etc. are still pouring in. How can you say there is a shortage of IT talent and you need to import them where most grads can't find any work?

A new grad is not necessarily the same as a potential H1B hire. Tech workers are not fungible. A company might prefer to hire an Indian or Polish person who has won ICPC, has hard-to-acquire experience, etc. over a D-average new grad without internships from Georgia or something.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by cube00 »

lmpdev wrote: post #10

(Australian not an American here) You’d very quickly rise to the top of the public sector My brother in law is only in his mid 20s and is in charge of half a dozen engineers No nepotism (we honestly know no one) just leaping from the right firm to the public sector at the right time Look for government consultant jobs or even better straight engineering roles

You must have gotten lucky that Accenture didn't infect your agency and shift large project engineering positions under them and then out to India.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by [deleted] »

alyxya wrote: post #42

To the people at the top, the job market is a statistic. They can't feel empathy on an issue they're so disconnected from, so they just think it's not their problem, or there isn't much they can do about it. Technological innovation is supposed to mean society can produce more with less work, so in theory everyone's lives could end up better off over time where we could all work less and get more, but in practice, I…

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