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Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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How is that only a $500,000 fine??? Stopping when inspectors are there only to restart once they leave is willful enough that you wonder why this doesn't go into criminal liability?

Corporations are never held accountable in America

Isn't the problem exactly the opposite? A corporation has personhood which shields its executives?

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That doesn't imply that their journalism is low-quality or inaccurate Anecdote: in some early reporting, I noticed a citation to a paper that didn’t support the purported argument. (It said the opposite.) I emailed the author, one of the founding journalists at Pro Publica and an award winner. He basically thanked me for the feedback and then left the article unchanged. Pro Publica is reputable for a small publicat…

Be specific. Which article and which citation? Otherwise this is insinuation or even slander. Edit to add: what you've done here is defame every member of the ProPublica staff, past and present (because you don't name a particular writer or article). There is no way for anyone from ProPublica to refute this. If you want to critique ProPublica honestly, quote a particular statement they've published.

I'm just speculating here, but it could be that he doesn't want to risk doxing himself. If he emailed them from his personal email address, which contains his real name, the journalist could out him.

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

#53

Some of these companies seem to have figured out that you can just do things and get away with it if you don’t mind paying a few fines (maybe “fees” would be a better term??)

I gladly run into parking tickets because the fine is less than the headache of distant parking

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

#54

There was an amazing YouTube poop format satire video with Musk saying: ~"There are no consequences. Life has no meaning." I can no longer find it. If anyone else can, it might be nice to link here.

Please be safe and healthier in your ways, consuming poop-related anything is not in your best interest.

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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post #6

How is that only a $500,000 fine??? Stopping when inspectors are there only to restart once they leave is willful enough that you wonder why this doesn't go into criminal liability?

It's rare for even blatant misconduct of this kind by a company to result in criminal charges. Which is stupid, obviously. If it's intentional/willful breaking of the law, send them to jail the same way you would for an individual.

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Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the idea in general, but show us how that applies to this company. They're at ~800 violations https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/elon-musks-boring-compan...

They didn't hire an inspector, and they counted each day they didn't hire the inspector as 700 different violations, so I don't really trust their reporting on this.

Isn't that atleast one violation per day? 800 assumes they were perfect and committed zero violations other than not having an inspector, so it's inaccurate because it probably is undercounting significantly.

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

#57
We need to wise up and make fines based on the net worth of top shareholders and company officers.

Elon Musk probably made $800k as I was typing this comment.

Maybe a $500k fine is reasonable for a dime a dozen contractor, this fine is a joke.

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

#58

Separate from the fines, why doesn't CCWRD litigate to get their cleanup costs back? CCWRD says that its crews ultimately had to clean 12 cubic yards of “drilling mud, drilling spoils, and miscellaneous solid waste” from one of its sewage treatment facilities due to Boring’s discharges across two of its project sites

$493,297.08 in fines, including $131,297.08 for the district’s expenses to remedy the fluid dumping

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

#59
Just for comparison, here's how real tunneling companies deal with sludge.[1] There's a small portable plant that separates sludge from water. It's about the size of two shipping containers. The water usually gets re-used in the tunneling operation.

The Boring Company, on the other hand, has been dumping their wet sludge on a vacant lot near a mall and waiting for the sludge to dry out. The mall doesn't like that. Nor does the city of Las Vegas, now that they found out.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCctmBUHIMo

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be specific. Which article and which citation? Otherwise this is insinuation or even slander. Edit to add: what you've done here is defame every member of the ProPublica staff, past and present (because you don't name a particular writer or article). There is no way for anyone from ProPublica to refute this. If you want to critique ProPublica honestly, quote a particular statement they've published.

I'm just speculating here, but it could be that he doesn't want to risk doxing himself. If he emailed them from his personal email address, which contains his real name, the journalist could out him.

It would be extremely counterproductive for a ProPublica writer to maliciously dox someone who pointed out a logical inconsistency in their writing, if the writer's intent is to bolster their own trustworthiness. Any journalist crazy enough to do this would be forever out of a job because no source would ever speak to them again.
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